Who knows, maybe Trojmiasto was the hotbed of anti-semitism during those times.
Or maybe somebody is simply emotionally not mature enough to realize that kids are sometimes cruel and that doesn't have to be connected with being Jew, black or whatever else... ?
you're a tad bit different when all your friends go to religion classes and you don't.
One old lady, a Jewish insurgent, when asked about the worst thing she experienced, replied: seeing the little Polish children on a swing set watching the ghetto burn.
The worst thing is that she probably made that up... but that's a matter of cultural differences between Jews and Goys, different values, different definitions of truth and lie etc.
I am Polish, have PL passport, speak Polish as my mother language. if that disqualifies me from being on a Polish forum, then fine have it your way.
See? You're putting words into people's mouth. Who the hell mentioned anything about you being disqualified from posting here?
You seem to see things the way you want to see them?
Comments like this lead me to believe that there's something not right with some of these people.
In 1970's when Germany paid some reparations to Poland to be paid to Polish victims of WW2 a Jewish person approached my aunt to sign an affidavit stating that my aunt was a witness of that person having been in Auschwitz. My aunt remembered the Jewess so she signed but decided not to apply herself. All those years she considered herself already rewarded by having been able to survive the horror of the concentration camp.
After a couple years though, at the insistance of her children, auntie applied too. She asked the Jewish lady (for the lack of a better word) to sign the witness affidavit. She refused, stating that my aunt's greed had no limits.
I think you shouldn't use different nick names. ;-)
Firstly, In Gdańsk there is almoust no Jews. Because of history of this town (look on map form 1938) and read history of Gdansk Jews. So if somebody didn't go to religion lessons he was propably kid of communists officers (they didn't go to church) or simple atheists/orthodox... In 1970s - 1980s smashing majority of Polish communists were native Poles (even in worst anti-semits versions). So your version with lessons in schools isn't possible.
I know that this forum is so easy to troll :) Stick to facts, as to me you could tell that you were Jews from £ódz or Warszawa ... not Gdańsk... In Gdańsk even there are single Jews connections between not going to church and being Jew are bit funny (like everywhere in Poland but Gdańsk is one of the worst examples you could choose).
History of Gdańsk Jews: inyourpocket.com/poland/gdansk/sightseeing/category/260-Jewish_Gdansk.html
She asked the Jewish lady (for the lack of a better word) to sign the witness affidavit. She refused, stating that my aunt's greed had no limits.
Gday Darius,
That's despicable - I honestly don't know what else to say. There's probably scores of honest and upright persons such as your aunt who have similar anecdotes, but as she did, they choose to press on with their lives and not raise a fuss - but szlachta are cut from a different cloth.
The worst thing is that she probably made that up
Could be. Or she read the same book I did. An Aussie author wrote a book about the Jews under Polish rule. There were several eyewitness accounts relating similar stories - people watching the ghetto burn. The context in which they relayed this detail was such that you felt as though the witnesses should have jumped the fence and started fighting as well.
There was a documentary a few years ago made by an Aussie comedian who calls himself "Austen Tatious". He's apparently of Polish/Jewish descent (I think his name was Glichman). He went to Poland to 'trace his roots'. He was quite angry towards the Polish, blaming them for the demise of his family and for taking his family's possessions during the war.
He went to the apartments where his family once lived, and on camera, stood in the atrium and started screaming out for his grandparents. Some old people came out to see what was going on, and told him his grandparents had left long ago. He was a strange man.
there is somethning known in the history as primary and secondary sources. Primary sources are made by historians and secondary are made by people and are called personal accouts of what has happen. Or the other way around. They complement each other.
I come from a Jewish family who lived in Poland till 1935, and never have I heard that Poles hated them. On the contrary - they had many Polish friends.
I live in Israel and whenever I hear about "Poles Hating Jews", I get furious. It is well known that Poles, and not a handful of saints, but many thousands of them, endangered themselves by saving Jews during WW2.
Some from eastern Poland said it was the other way around, 1939-40 this was due to the Jewish helping Soviets and Ukrainian in removal of Polish from the east to cattle cars. Yet prior to this intervention they lived side by side respecting each others rights and being close friends and neighbors.
Primary sources are made by historians and secondary are made by people and are called personal accouts of what has happen.
Hi Miranda - forgive me for being a smart ass, but primary sources are eye witness or contemporary accounts and secoondary sources are made after the fact by historians etc.
Hi Anna my ex husband was a jewish guy but it dont make me hate any of the jewish people less. my father is partly jewish but I was born and raised with the church but for some reason i always feel close to the jewish people.sorry that you had to deal with pri cks that had no smarts and were ignorants retards. I hate those who are anitsemectic because they are stupid.I support you and keep feeling free to talk your ideas hope things get better for you god bless you.
1939-40 this was due to the Jewish helping Soviets and Ukrainian in removal of Polish from the east to cattle cars.
These are facts but they are not discussed at great length by most historians for the fear of being accused of anti-semitism.
The fact also is that a disproportionate number of top UB (Polish KGB) brass soon after WW2 were Jews. Stalin knew he couldn't trust native Poles as much. That is not to say that all Jews were UB agents, but as it happens with people, stereotypes spread and the innocent become the "collateral damage". Hence two waves of Jewish emigration from Poland after WW2.
It is noticable that some Americans don't understand political climate in Poland. When it comes to Polish-Jewish realtionship ;)
I think they should read main newspapers
miasta.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,34889,5138505.html
Priceless , very moving document Jolanta Dylewska brings out the reality of forgetting Polish - Jewish towns before the Holocaust
The title " Po-lin " is derived from the beautiful medieval legend. Jews fled from Western Europe and the pogroms against the plague . On the Polish lands heard the voice of God: " Po-lin " , which means : "Here rest ." They were , and our country recognized for his . then on Poland in Hebrew is called just the name Po-lin .
The film shows how she looked Jewish everyday life in towns such as , among others, Sejny , Kurow , Bałuty , Kałuszyn , Nowogródek . And although the reality being played on the screen hovers the specter of the Holocaust , to feel that the story is a documentary directed towards life. It has no elegiac tone is rather delight in the intensity of that world . You can almost feel his smell , when Mendel sells at the market greasy herrings , Sura spreads hot bagels , and Friday morning a woman crimp the dough on the Sabbath.
or read about some cooperation between Israel and Poland ...
I am not saying it is good or bad I just think that Poland went in different direction and we are in different reallity than some pepople think...
project of Shalom tower in Warszawa (Warszawa Jews want to build it)
Jewish culture festival Kraków: (website in English)
Stalin knew he couldn't trust native Poles as much.
This argument is valid to some extend, however I think that the Soviets tried to divide Polish society and move away angriness of native Poles from themselves towards the Jews.
Hence two waves of Jewish emigration from Poland after WW2.
If native Poles were allowed to leave then many of them would do so as well.
osiol: If you want to rule, it helps first to divide.
If you want to keep ruling, it also helps to divide.
Who gets the blame when things are not going well in your country. Certainly not the people in charge. They blame the problems on a convenient minority.
Mugabe blames Zibabwe's problems on white farmers and the UK trying to reestablished a colony. His corruption and incompetence has nothing to do with it.
Idi Amin expelled some 50,000 Indians from Uganda because God told him to do so. Boy, did that solve Uganda's problems.
Prior to WWII German Jew were well integrated into German society. Most considered themselves nationally as Germans and religiously as Jewish or no religion. They had served the German nation well during WWI.
If you don't have Jews, you target gays, or Lutherans, or Blacks or whoever convienent.
there is good and bad in every country but ignorance is bad. so people we are supposed to be a better society then the 1940s we should understand better.
I posted a joke in reply to a complaint from another Forum subscriber about the lack of Jewish jokes on this thread...it was deleted by moderators as objectionable...what we have here are communists without a sense of humor!
Anna_ET: And you're not even trying to be funny! damn dude! Don't know any Jew jokes? What kind of anti-semite are you?
JoePilsudski: Although your reply wasn't directed to me, I know many Jewish jokes...here is one with a spiritual slant:
One sided or mutual. One of my very Jewish friend told me story that when his grandfather wanted his father to go into business with Poles grandfather sent him to learn polish. After 450 years this family did not know language of a country they lived in. His explanation was that Polish culture had not much to offer, indeed German Jews were quite integrated. Another reason for animosities is the position Jews were placed in: not being allowed to own land, money lending (it was an "unchristian", but necessary), small trade (below dignity of szlachta and above abilities of peasantry). Big part of separating these communities (nations?) was Rabbis, imagine what will happen to them and hereditary Rebbes would Polish Jews assimilate. My mother was watching end of Warsaw Ghetto Uprising from the groudns of Palac Krasinskich and it was traumatic for her. Sometime before she run away after being caught passing messages through the gate to the Getto. After WWII Poland had Russian imposed government run till 1953 by "troika" Bierut (president), Berman (State Security), and Minc (Prime Minister for Economic Affairs). The last two being Jewish. Most of the State Security top officials were Jewish. This was during the time of Bloody terror in Poland. I think he solution is a divorce, peaceful if possible. In my humble opinion polish government should use its leverage being a member of EU and give an indication to Israeli politicians and international Jewry indication that it will use its vote accordingly to their actions.
so, LAGirl, what exactly is an antisemitic person in your books? I know what I think an antisemitic person is but i'm curious as to how you would define such a person.
Plus, LAGirl, while I appreciate your opinion and I know where you're coming from, plus, your heads in the right place so I don't want to be preachy, BUT to say "I hate antisemitic people" continues the cycle of hatred perpetrated by antisemitic people. I hate antisemitism. I don't hate people.
Bah, I tan dark...I was called a rather nasty name when we moved to the Midwest from California. Was held at the California/Mexico border, mistaken for Mexican as a young teen - rather bizarre thing to go through, but heaps of comprehension.
Come full gamut, being called a 'Vampire' because I'm now pale, and stay inside during the heat of the day. Didn't anyone say that tanning is bad for you!? I also pointed out to the cretins who dared to call me a vampire that my family helped to lock up Elizabeth Bathory. But then, I'd be called prejudiced, if I named the group who call me 'Vampire.' I actually tested the word around two ethnic groups out here, and discovered that its ingrained as deeply as the fear as snakes & spiders. I chose to remove myself from being around those people who accused me out of fear earlier this this month.
I find their children are more open-minded.
But I can tell you that "Multi-culturalism" doesn't exist everywhere!!
What is wrong with the world? Who knows - people are trigger-happy to name call, even when there isn't a reason. At least I learned about prejudism young, and know that only fools are that way along with being antisemitic.
But to Julie's point, prejudist people are everywhere. In California plenty of people think I'm dumb because I come from the Midwest. And people in the Midwest think I'm lazy because I know live in California. Ay ay ay!
