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SHOULD WE POL-AMS BE ASHAMED OF AMERICA?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448  
31 Aug 2009 /  #1
Ohio Democrat Marcy Kaptur said she was ashamed of her country, the USA, since Obama's place was in Poland at the WW2 anniversary celebration. Do the Pol-Ams on PF agree or disagree?

Marcy Kaptur , Democrat of Ohio , one of the most influential women in the American House of Representatives , in an interview with " Polish " criticized the Obama administration and stressed that in Gdansk should be president of the United States.

- I am ashamed for my government - said Hood . She added that " does not understand what happened, because due to the importance of Polish history and relationships that link Poland with the United States , should arrive to Gdansk President Obama himself ."

jwojcie 2 | 763  
31 Aug 2009 /  #2
As Pol-Pol :-), I don't know if ashamed, but certainly USA lost some points in Poland...
It wouldn't have to be Obama, but at least some politician from current administration (well, today I've read that USA added someone to the team). Anyway harm was done, the message to Poland from USA was "hm... we don't care". It is really not so important, but with rumours about withdrawal from "the shield" agreement, combined it sends clear message about current USA administration foreign priorities.
Juche 9 | 292  
31 Aug 2009 /  #3
ah the wonderful world of politics...but it is not known if the USA has the time to send a high official to every country's war rememberance celebrations for who would have the time with so many wars because dumb hu8man race never learns. Of course in Peoples Democratic Rep of North Korea every day is good day to remember aggression of imperialist puppet masters and their running dog lackeys.
jwojcie 2 | 763  
31 Aug 2009 /  #4
but it is not known if the USA has the time to send a high official to every country's war rememberance celebrations

I'm sure that USA foreign department is big enough to match that task... Actually isn't that part of their job they are paid for?
Marek11111 9 | 816  
31 Aug 2009 /  #5
I do not understand why Poland looks to U.S. I gues Poland have not been stab in back enough times by U.S. politics.

Poland needs to worry about Poland not what U.S. will do.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353  
31 Aug 2009 /  #6
The current administration has made a number of foreign policy blunders and protocol mistakes. Should you be suprised?

Poland needs to worry about Poland not what U.S. will do.

I totally agree. With Poland having been occupied so often in the past, why they seek to become entangled with others again kind of baffles me.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
31 Aug 2009 /  #7
The current administration has made a number of foreign policy blunders and protocol mistakes. Should you be suprised?

lol, and how does this make them any different from past administrations?
Nickidewbear 23 | 583  
17 Sep 2009 /  #9
Actually, it does. Bushes 41 and 43, Reagan, and others would've gladly helped Poland set up a missle-defense shield; and as a Jewish-Polish American, I'm not liking the way that Obama is treating especially 'Eretz-Yisra'el or 'Am-Yisra'el (including Ashkenazic Jews).
jwojcie 2 | 763  
17 Sep 2009 /  #10
helped Poland set up a missle-defense shield

What you've wrote is inaccurate. It wasn't USA helping Poland it was Poland helping USA :-) It wasn't shield dedicated to defend Poland but USA. Poland would be ON the shield not UNDER the shield...
Nickidewbear 23 | 583  
18 Sep 2009 /  #11
But had the USA not even suggested the idea for both Poland's and America's sakes, would there even be a missle shield?
plk123 8 | 4,150  
18 Sep 2009 /  #12
The current administration has made a number of foreign policy blunders and protocol mistakes. Should you be suprised?

care to name them or is crap all you dish out?

the way that Obama is treating especially 'Eretz-Yisra'el or 'Am-Yisra'el (including Ashkenazic Jews).

i agree, he's way too pacifying.. israel needs to get off US tit.
Nickidewbear 23 | 583  
18 Sep 2009 /  #13
And if Poland, if you will, got off of Israel's (as you'd put it) "tit", your country would be in a lot worse shape. We Jews contributed a lot to Polania, and the USA among other countries. So, the least that Obama can do for Israel (especially since about 90% of Jewish Americans are Democrats) is support Israel and, for example, tell Poland, "Hey; this missle shield would not only be protecting the USA and Poland, but it'd help Israel, who both Poland the USA are indebted to."
plk123 8 | 4,150  
18 Sep 2009 /  #14
indebted? now i am sure you're crazy.. if anybody it's israel that is indebted to USA and PL. without US' money the rightful owners of palestine would have driven the jews out long ago.
jwojcie 2 | 763  
18 Sep 2009 /  #15
But had the USA not even suggested the idea for both Poland's and America's sakes, would there even be a missle shield?

Heh... that was good one :-) I really fail to see how "being" a shield is for Polands sake :-) In case you didn't notice the very reason why USA was obliged to give Poland Patriot missiles (short and medium range missiles) was simple fact that long range missile site in Poland would decrease Polands safety. As I understand current situation, Poland still get Patriots but there wan't be long range missile site. That outcome would make me more than happy :-)

but it'd help Israel, who both Poland the USA are indebted to

That is funny too :-) As much as I appreciate Jewish contribution in Polish culture, modern Poland is in no way indebted to modern Israel. Israel is not even NATO country.
Nickidewbear 23 | 583  
18 Sep 2009 /  #16
I'm sure that if the US heard enough voices, Poland would get long-range missles. Also, so what if Israel's not a NATO country? She's Israel (Genesis 12:2-3, John 4:22, Romans 1:16).
jwojcie 2 | 763  
18 Sep 2009 /  #17
I'm sure that if the US heard enough voices, Poland would get long-range missles

For the last time: USA wanted long-range in Poland. Poland in return wanted short and medium range... long-range is no use for our defence...

Also, so what if Israel's not a NATO country

Nr 5 don't apply to Israel, we are not obliged to defend Israel (but I'm sure Israel is capable of selfdefence).

She's Israel (Genesis 12:2-3, John 4:22, Romans 1:16).

This type of reasoning is obsolete even in Poland...
Nickidewbear 23 | 583  
18 Sep 2009 /  #18
Well, then I misread about the long-range missles; but meanwhile, I still don't see especially how even a nominally-Catholic culture like Poland can justify not supporting Israel.
Marek11111 9 | 816  
26 Sep 2009 /  #19
Yes Poland should support Israel, NATO, U.S., England, E.U. an anyone else in return for that support, Poland has received and will receive swift kick where sun does not shine.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
26 Sep 2009 /  #20
Polonius3

What the heck are you talking about? Oh I see now. Poland is not that important in the world, you know. It's actually a 3rd-rate country (although I know the Poles think Poland is the most important country in the world: surprise: they are not. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but Poland is NOT important.) And fyi: nobody gives a sh*t about Poland's opinion as far as world politics is concerned. Sorry again if i hurt your feelings.

M-G (has been drinking - but still recognizes nonsense)
Marek11111 9 | 816  
26 Sep 2009 /  #21
nobody gives a sh*t about Poland's opinion as far as world politics is concerned.

amen to that, nobody care about Poland till they need something after they get it then they kick.
I realize that long time ago and I do not understand why Poles or Poland let west use them time and time again, I started to think Poland is like abuse child that comes for more time after time.

Now I will go drink " na zdrowie "
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
26 Sep 2009 /  #22
let west use them

The west didn't use them. They just didn't give a sh*t.

M-G (it's so simple)
Babinich 1 | 455  
15 Oct 2009 /  #24
If you want to be ashamed about America be ashamed at the lack of competence in the people running the country.

powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024710.php

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