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young children in UK innercity (afro caribean)


jareck8  
24 Oct 2007 /  #1
i dont want to be racist but yesterday on a bus in london i saw really really bad behaviour by 3 young girls to a polish gentleman, they were swaering at him, looking at him funny and being very loud and disrespectful, there was no reason for the conflict.

i have observed over the past 11 years living in london that a segment of britiash people ar every very disrespectfula nd do not have manners, this is a general statement but i have worked in a bank as a cashier in a predominantly afro caririeban area, also an asian area and a geenral mix, i found a dsitinctive approach of people from this region in their dealings, they would argue, shout and be redy to fight for no apparane treason, the way they would speak was in an awful tone, and its like theyre askign for trouble.

wat i want to knwo is the factors affecting this becasue the ppor man yesterday was very patient and said nothing to the girlsd, except 'ur place is in zoo' in a strong polish accent..
telefonitika  
24 Oct 2007 /  #2
Sad occurance once again of "nanny state" some places are like that others are more tolerable depends on where you are ....

... and if you have studied sociology you will know that much of your posts are like have sociological debates and looking at key factors and areas to which you keep posting about ...

factors can be many .. depends on background .. schooling .. whether or not the 3 young girls (in my guess approx. age possibly around 13-15) parents actually give a Sh1t or not many parents in some areas quite simply and in a nutshell dont give a flying fk what their kids are up to so long as they are out the way ....

... Sign of the times ......!
Kilkline 1 | 689  
24 Oct 2007 /  #3
wat i want to knwo is the factors affecting this

The factors are that these people are morons with zero self worth who only feel good about themselves when they are intimidating other people. They live in a country which offers them all the opportunities it is possible to offer and they still fail.

Its just a shame that the junk food that they shove into their fat, vacant faces doesnt make them sterile.
OP jareck8  
24 Oct 2007 /  #4
age possibly around 13-15

possibly..

studied sociology you will know that much of your posts are like have sociological debates

i haventreally but thank you its a compliment

i am just concerned and i feel i can share this concern... the fact is many many children in UK are brought up without proper role models and it seems that we are suffering the effect of this.. the amount of killing and murder and violence in socity is questionable,,,,

parents need to play more of a role, but life is all about earning a buck, no one is taking ownership, i have travelled extensively through the UK and wprked in many areas and unfortuantley i found a link between the 'black' youth and their ebhaviour, the way they are socialised is soemthing all of us need to think about as it affects greater society.. operation black vote is an interesting organisation.... the main concenr is that our kids will be influenced by this gun, crime, drug and generally immopral cultre, yuo can see this with the south asian population...

polish parents look after ur kids
telefonitika  
24 Oct 2007 /  #5
i haventreally but thank you its a compliment

you are welcome it was a generalization i have noticed in your postings and as a previous a-level sociology student can see the debating and the scruntizing ways in your posts.

parents need to play more of a role

they do i will agree on that ... im a single mum of a 9 yr old daughter and i only hope that the character she has now is not tainted when she goes to upper school in 18months time .. she is i would say more better of a child than that of some kids on this street i live who are bad mannered .. vulgar and generally annoyance and they are between 9-12 years old.
OP jareck8  
24 Oct 2007 /  #6
im a single mum of a 9 yr old daughter and i only hope that the character she has now is not tainted

hopefully,, its very important... you are a strong woman,, godbless you...

together we can make it a great place to live.... care affection and reasoning
True Brit - | 7  
24 Oct 2007 /  #7
This kind of incident happens because there is no discipline in Britain today. Kids behave this way because they know they can get away with it.

If you give them a clip round the ear, like they deserve, you'll be the one arrested. Even parents are being arrested for smacking their own children.
OP jareck8  
25 Oct 2007 /  #8
i was thinking today after i read in the paper that an elderly gentleman whos eye was punched on the train, the man who hit himonly got a supervision order,

that is totally unacceptable.. what confidence do you have in the legal system, soemone can potentially damage you and yuor family and you have noweher to go..

'mite is rite' this is what creates wars inequality and problems,

if we had capital and corporal punishment it would be a much better place.. in the uk we are very advanced modern can we not have a proper regualted legal system that punishes people when they do wrong..

french police are strict, if you go to arab countries they have very little crime.. people are scared to commit crime.. in england the police are scared to arrest criminals....

a more family oriented society with dicipline, respect for elders, respect for laws and rules needs to be encouraged
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
25 Oct 2007 /  #9
i was thinking today after i read in the paper that an elderly gentleman whos eye was punched on the train, the man who hit himonly got a supervision order,

The old man was 95 and was left blind in the eye that was punched.....he should have gone to prison for a very long time for doing that, instead he's walking free......is it any wonder people take the law into their own hands
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
25 Oct 2007 /  #10
what confidence do you have in the legal system

it seems most britsw lost faith and confidence in the legal system some time ago
AvJoeUK  
25 Oct 2007 /  #11
The old man was 95 and was left blind in the eye that was punched.....he should have gone to prison for a very long time for doing that, instead he's walking free......is it any wonder people take the law into their own hands

That incident sickened me to the bone, the guy who punched him was a sickening excuse of a human being. I'd gladly slot him in the most painful sense of the word, as for that Judge...their as bad as the criminals they let go with as much as a slap on the wrist, sack the bloody idiot I say.

Our Country needs its backbone again.
OP jareck8  
25 Oct 2007 /  #12
so what is the soultion

u know this situation is linked to lack of religious belief, materialism and freedom....

we think we are better off with all our free speech but look where it has moved us... if we want peace and love and care we need to return to our core values...

we are humans not animals.. a human has half material instinct and half spiritual.. thats why we refute the evolution theory
AvJoeUK  
25 Oct 2007 /  #13
Religion does not make someone a better person Jareck, We have plenty of Freedom Just a pathetic excuse of a Justice System, thats all it boils down too.
OP jareck8  
25 Oct 2007 /  #14
actually religion helps you be a better person.. i understand because of the middles east and islamic religion we are blaming religion but actually if we closely at the bible then we will understand its teachings, actually look at all types of religious scriptures they have some sense of morality..

religion teaches us belief in one lord, once we understand this then we can move onto the next step,, becasue of this belief we listen to what the lord has revealed. the lord telss us not to kill,, why? becasue human nature is to be greedy, jealous, in countries like uk and us because we live in a very materialistic ideology there is greed and jealousy to what extent people express this is evident with all these murders and violent crimes..

it is a long discussion but human nature is a complicated thing.. check out the old testament
AvJoeUK  
25 Oct 2007 /  #15
check out the old testament

Im fine thanks, But I'd love to see you explain how an extremist christian or muslim could carry out mass murder in the name of God and be a 'better person' then me, the harmless atheist who doesnt need religion to go about his life with good morals and who doesnt need religion to justify being nice to people...

Maybe those teachings had a sense of morality...thousands...and thousands of years ago..
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
25 Oct 2007 /  #16
Religion does not make someone a better person Jareck, We have plenty of Freedom Just a pathetic excuse of a Justice System, thats all it boils down too.

I have to agree with you on that one..

Another case which sickened me recently was a paedophile who had been abusing children for over 20 years........he was a Jehovahs Witness...and the judge let him walk free............. the reason the judge gave was that the man was deeply religious

Personally, i think in all of these cases...they should go to appeal and whatever sentence the criminal gets, the judge should get as well for being an accessory to the crime
OP jareck8  
25 Oct 2007 /  #17
the reason the judge gave was that the man was deeply religious

send him to shariat law
Kilkline 1 | 689  
25 Oct 2007 /  #18
actually religion helps you be a better person..

Religion and morality are not linked in any way. If you are religious you must follow the word of God even if what is said is against your own morality e.g. pluck out one of your eyes, kill your own son. Christianity also teaches that you can live a life of immorality, murdering, raping, abusing children and still get to heaven as long as you repent at the end, whereas an unbeliever can will burn in hell for all eternity regardless of their numerous good works. Thus the lesson Christianity teaches us is that your attitude to humanity is nothing next to your subservience to God.
truebrit 3 | 196  
25 Oct 2007 /  #19
Personally, i think in all of these cases...they should go to appeal and whatever sentence the criminal gets, the judge should get as well for being an accessory to the crime

I could not agree more!
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
26 Oct 2007 /  #20
General low expectations, lack of respect and no values - I dont mean religious here either - aint progress wonderfull :(
OP jareck8  
26 Oct 2007 /  #21
yes very right...

i am joing special contables, its 8 hours a week,, i spoke to a few officers and they said people should try this its a good way to help yourself and community...

also u get FREE travel... thats zones 1-6
from hammersmith to romford.. take your pick
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
26 Oct 2007 /  #22
also u get FREE travel... thats zones 1-6
from hammersmith to romford.. take your pick

Im in Manchester so no real benefit for me :)

My view on the specials is that they are covering up a problem, problem being that there are not enough officers on the force, but I wish you all the best and be safe :)
OP jareck8  
26 Oct 2007 /  #23
Im in Manchester so no real benefit for me :)

not sure about outer london but there should be an incentive..

thank you...

what others can do is join their local safer neighbourhood watch teams...

the problem started a while ago.. i think young people dont have a solid foundation in education and morality they are soo involved in becoming popstars and gangsters...

we need more people like Maria Skłodowska, and i dont mention her becasue she is polish but becasue of her determination and hardowrk and plus there is a univ in lublin!
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
26 Oct 2007 /  #24
jareck8

What we need is more parents who have the time to sit and build relationships with their children - most children would think twice about their actions if they thought it would in any way affect parents they respected - you dont have to beat a child to get respect.
OP jareck8  
26 Oct 2007 /  #25
you dont have to beat a child to get respect.

thats why the family is so important in society.. not the only factor bt it is important...

it can be hard though you know sometimes fathers and mothers ar einvolved in looking after the home and becasue they want to give their children everything they miss out oon somehtings.. i say less tv.. more mushroom picking and bonding
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
26 Oct 2007 /  #26
more mushroom picking and bonding

reading with your child, teaching them how to bake, sew, knit, build things, the list is endless - its about time and not money
OP jareck8  
26 Oct 2007 /  #27
nice weekend all...
u can join me for bible class st anthonys upton park 6pm

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