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WHAT DO YOUNG POLES SEE IN RAP CRAP?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448  
7 Oct 2009 /  #1
One can perhaps understand that the primtive monosyllabic gruntings of bird-brained US slum-dwellers who don't know who their father was might appeal to those who live in rat-infested slums because they don't know any better. But what do some young Poles see in that ignorant cacaphony? It is alien to them musically (if you can call it music in the first place?!), ideologically (appeals to rape, kill, destroy) and culturally (most Poles know how to read and write and were not born out-of-wedlock).

It must be a take-off on Hitler's big lie. if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it. The DJs keep playing rap crap over and over until it infects the brains of people who have nothing in common with the underbelly cultture that produced it. And to think some are complaining about disco-polo!?

Agree? Disagree?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
7 Oct 2009 /  #2
Disagree.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
7 Oct 2009 /  #3
WHAT DO YOUNG POLES SEE IN RAP CRAP?

Their parents hate it....so to a young person this means it must be cool....
Polskiej_Dumy 18 | 66  
8 Oct 2009 /  #4
rap in Poland is different than here. but even about american rap you are worng in being so judgemental and stereotypical. next time listen to the words of something like Polish hip hop before going nuts on a message board
scrappleton - | 830  
8 Oct 2009 /  #5
but even about american rap you are worng in being so judgemental and stereotypical.

No, he is not wrong. A damn grapefruit could come up with something more intelligent than rap. Here's a clue.. if virtually anyone can do it , it's probably not art. "Yo, yo, yo.. you know what I be sayin'." No actually, I don't know.. or care. Please do not squeegee my car either.
beckski 12 | 1,617  
8 Oct 2009 /  #6
it's probably not art. "Yo, yo, yo.. you know what I be sayin'

A lot of rap's roots originated in prison. You'd think with all the free time prisoners have, they'd at least create some halfway decent music. Instead the majority of so-called music they sing is pure crap, with vulgar lyrics.
NPosuniak 8 | 91  
8 Oct 2009 /  #7
A lot of big words from small brains......

(Edit: From certain PF members)
osiol 55 | 3,922  
8 Oct 2009 /  #8
Hasn't anyone here ever heard rap used by artists as diverse as the Sugarcubes, Cleveland Watkiss or Sergio Mendes, in music from every inhabited continent on Earth and on subjects such as from "why doesn't everyone start being nice to each other for a change"? I'm listening to Funky 4+1 at the moment. Old skool (or stara szkoła as someone stranger than I am once said).
jamesams1357 - | 35  
8 Oct 2009 /  #9
because poland must become i big gang thats why
sledz 23 | 2,250  
8 Oct 2009 /  #10
Most Rap CD sales are from white teenage boys.

Once they grow up they usually ditch the Rap Crap for real music..

While music-industry sales have plummeted, no genre has fallen harder than rap. According to the music trade publication Billboard, rap sales have dropped 44% since 2000 and declined from 13% of all music sales to 10%

Someday Rap will meet the same fate as Disco....lol
ShawnH 8 | 1,508  
8 Oct 2009 /  #11
Someday Rap will meet the same fate as Disco....lol

Likely to be replaced by something even worse.
sledz 23 | 2,250  
8 Oct 2009 /  #12
Disco Polo..lol
ShawnH 8 | 1,508  
8 Oct 2009 /  #13
Going Retro!
mark007 - | 58  
8 Oct 2009 /  #14
rap and hip-hop not the same. Gangster rap is normally crude and not always intelligent. Hip-hop is!; often talking about politics, the state of a country, famine wars etc. Hip-hop was started by people who felt that they didn't have a voice in the society they lived in. It was like a social voice for the deprived and a lot of the early players actually had degrees in English, philosophy or other high brow subjects. Gangster rap is cheap and the fans are often fickle but groups like Jurassic 5 or The Roots have had a loyal fan base for years. Hip- hop battles were also used to settle arguements and old scores (whose the best dancer), rather than shooting or knifing someone; Gangster rap seems to encourage violence and glorify sex crimes. Hip hop for ever, rap is just for Xmas.

piece of peace Y'all!!
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
8 Oct 2009 /  #16
But what do some young Poles see in that ignorant cacaphony?

Maybe because they live in a rat-infested slum and don't know any better? I remember that by the time they were about to join the EU, some towns in Poland didn't even have a sewer system.

And to think some are complaining about disco-polo!?

And rightfully so. Disco-polo is crap. Cheap prefabricated nitty-ditties, who are not even nice to listen to. It's the kind of music in which you can hear the breaks towards the end already approaching at the start of the song. While I have nothing agains simple music, there are boundaries. Disco-polo is one of them. German disco-singers of the 80's and 90's is another one. I prefer to listen to rap or hip-hop than to that Disco-polo crap that basically nothing has to do with music, but all with making money - the so-called Stock, Aitken and Waterman effect. It's killing music as a form of free and creative expression.

Even at the height of Gangster Rap there were intelligent noises to be heard: Paris, Public Enemy. I can even appreciate NWA as their rudeness and grossness is supposed to be a statement as well. Listen to F*ck da Police. A better contemporary example of critisism on society and all it's double standard values is hardly to be found.

Polonius maybe likes Polka?

>^..^<

M-G (listens to all music and thinks all musicians deserve respect, except for the ones who are obviously in it for a quick buck, like those Disco-polo artists)
CacyUlcia 2 | 46  
9 Oct 2009 /  #17
Rap originated from various negative perspectives and hate towards preferred social norms and as bectski wrote

A lot of rap's roots originated in prison.

So the beginning rappers who populated this genre were losers: MISCHIEVOUS LOSERS

But what do some young Poles see in that ignorant cacaphony? It is alien to them musically (if you can call it music in the first place?!), ideologically (appeals to rape, kill, destroy)

Low self esteem comes with the teenage disorder/cycle. Teenagers are old enough to understand the social demands from their society. But just because they understand it, doesn't mean that they are mature or ready to handle certain social responsibilities. While there are those that succeed in accomplishing the social demands of their peers and parents, there are others who are mischievous. For instance, it's the social norm in Poland for an 18 year old man to have a car and a girl to go with it, because he's seen his peers do it. But since he can't get license, or a date with any girl, then he will listen to the rap carp farting about things he can do to use and abuse a girl. After all the negative rap crap is for mischievous losers and youth listen to it when they can relate their lives with it.

if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it. The DJs keep playing rap crap over and over until it infects the brains of people who have nothing in common with the underbelly cultture that produced it

Rap absolutely brainwashes youth or else why in the hell would a young girl listen to a fart rapper like Eminem: she buys his CD because she was brainwashed along with her friends who could not comprehend the meaning of his rapping about "[there are bones in my closet and they are my moms. 100 things that I would do to abuse my wife Kim are..., and my daughter won't understand how I abused her mom when she grows up b/c she will always be a dumb little girl]"

Well if I was 10 years younger and still in HS, I wouldn't ask Eminem for an autograph if I saw him walking down the street, like a typical HS girl, I would probably insult him and his music in his face.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not totally hating rap and think that all of them are mischievous losers. After all there are some rappers who are positive and rap about positive stuff. For instance LLCool J: I listened to him when I was in HS and still do. :0)
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
9 Oct 2009 /  #18
A preference for music changes with age. Our parents or grandparents did not like The Beatles or Elvis Presley. Right?
Rap is pretty crude but it expresses the singers mood... Not everybody can recite words just right to the beat. I happen to like this rap song. The words are pretty subjective, but you can't deny the rhythm is quite pleasant to the ear.

I don't care for 'white boys" rap, including polish. No matter how much they try, it's not 'it'.
sledz 23 | 2,250  
9 Oct 2009 /  #19
Our parents or grandparents did not like The Beatles or Elvis Presley. Right?

OK in 40 years if people are still listening to Rap,,,,,,na never happen

its going downhill year by year:)
osiol 55 | 3,922  
9 Oct 2009 /  #20
the same fate as Disco

Retro chic amongst those who like brightly coloured things? At least the good stuff like Three Feet High and Rising might make a comeback.
sledz 23 | 2,250  
9 Oct 2009 /  #21
At least the good stuff like Three Feet High and Rising might make a comeback.

70`s night at the local pub brings out the MILFs also :)
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
9 Oct 2009 /  #22
People are still dancing at night clubs to "something" that sounds like disco music, it's just more vicious. You really have to do a lot shakin'. lol. Alright, I grew out of it.

I can't even imagine what they will be dancing to in the next decade!

Osiol, your avatar got a Mexican look. What's up?
King Sobieski 2 | 716  
9 Oct 2009 /  #23
Even at the height of Gangster Rap there were intelligent noises to be heard

straight outta compton is a classic...niggaz4life just some misogynist crap.

ice cube's albums "amerikkka's most wanted" and "death certificate" are 2 of the best albums of criticisms on society.

and getting into nas, q-tip and common now. not gangster rap but far from the bling, *******, guns and cars pedestrian rap that is peddled by most these days.
Arien 3 | 721  
9 Oct 2009 /  #24
If you'd ask me, I'd say that with this song, Curse captured the essence of what Hip-Hop really is. Freedom of expression, and freedom of speech. Freedom.

youtu.be/SO3z_IjwErE

Again, this is what Hip-Hop is supposed to be; Originality, creativity, freedom of expression and indivuality, and that's probably why there are so many different approaches to the genre as a whole, and that's probably why there are so many people who fail to grasp the concept aswell.

Social awareness..

youtu.be/WYgpxOGUvp4

Social awareness..

A lot of rap's roots originated in prison.

Wrong again. The griots of West Africa are a group of traveling singers and poets who are part of an oral tradition dating back hundreds of years. Their vocal style is similar to that of rappers. The African-American traditions of signifyin', the dozens, talking blues and jazz poetry are all aspects of the griots. In addition, musical 'comedy' acts such as Rudy Ray Moore and Blowfly, are considered by some to be the forefathers of rap.

Within New York City, griot-like performances of poetry and music by artists such as The Last Poets, Gil Scott Heron and Jalal Mansur Nuriddin had a significant impact on the post-civil rights era culture of the 1960s and 1970s.

To keep a long story short, rap originated from poetry, and Hip-Hop originated from a mixture of different styles of music. (Jazz, Disco, Pop, Funk and Soul.)

Oh, and a few words in addition, anyone can write a poem, but that doesn't mean they're all Shakespeare. Anyone can drum, but that doesn't mean they're all Buddy Rich. Anyone can sing a song, but that doesn't mean they're all Muses.. Seriously, as if Madonna can actually sing? As if Britney spears has something intelligent to add? As if Disco Polo is some higher form of art?

youtu.be/ehADqM55KTk

Music is music, different moods, different approaches, different styles, different tastes, different ideas, different vibes, different people. We can argue about music for ages, but you'll have to stick to the facts if we're going to. Oh, and about grunting.. I believe Heavy Metal heads know all about that..

:)

..and that's all I have to say about it.
George8600 10 | 637  
9 Oct 2009 /  #25
I'm pretty sure part of the youth everywhere is into rap. I don't know why. I just remembered the good ol' days in the 1700's when we'd rock out to Beethoven's fifth. ^_^
Arien 3 | 721  
9 Oct 2009 /  #27
monosyllabic gruntings

youtube.com/v/jexc79myp4E

:)

Oh, and this is how the professionals sound.

youtube.com/v/yip66IRRnGw

Enjoy!

:P
Ksysia 25 | 430  
9 Oct 2009 /  #28
rock out to Beethoven's fifth. ^_^

Beethoven was for the Bishops and Princes. Countryside music has much more beat in it!

So what exactly is wrong about rap? Not rhyming, not simple arranging. Probably coming from black people?

So - how about French rap? Is that also wrong?

Rap is one of the ways that traditional music is revived - a melo-recitation of sorts.

And why do Polans do that kind of music? Well, why not? Some of us also meet on the yearly Indian convention, as in Native American. Or in Viking Picnic on Wolin.

ranores.w.szu.pl
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
9 Oct 2009 /  #29
youtube.com/v/jTjiCkpMw-U

This is my most "moby like" tune I've made lately. The sound-quality isn't that great, but at least...soit :)

Hope you like it :)
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
9 Oct 2009 /  #30
Rap is pretty crude but it expresses the singers mood...

It's kinda like p!ssing in the middle of a city square. It is also crude and it also expresses the p!sser's mood, no?

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