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ARE YOUNG BRITS LESS INTELLIGENT THAN POLES?


southern  73 | 7059  
10 Jun 2008 /  #31
he ranking is quite clear so it's up to a student where he/she studies or is able to study, we dont drag them here

Hey,yes I wrote you.The ranking is important in GB,the university the foreigner studies is recognized as equal inside EU regardless of ranking because he takes advantage of EU law which takes into account majority of european continental universities which are considered as equal.EU law does not make exception for english low ranking universities,this is where foreign students rely to equalize their degrees.

But then again you get a lot of Scandinavians studying medicine here in Poland because it is cheaper and still considered very good quality.

The real reason is that these Skandinavians failed to enter the skandinavian medical univeristies due to heavy competition(for example Norway accepts only 600 candidates from the thousands who apply).They are afraid to study in Germany because university exams are very strict,they cannot study in UK because the entrance to medical universities in UK is competitive as well and they avoid France because there are numerus clausus competitive exams in second year.

That is why they choose Poland,Slovakia etc because they are easily accepted and get a degree.
VaFunkoolo  6 | 654  
10 Jun 2008 /  #32
EU law does not make exception for english low ranking universities,this is where foreign students rely to equalize their degrees.

It is true that many English universities will lower their admissions criteria in order to accept international students and, more importantly, the fees they pay.
SeanBM  34 | 5781  
10 Jun 2008 /  #33
I would prefer to be happy than intelligent any time, unfortunately I am neither.
mafketis  38 | 10921  
10 Jun 2008 /  #34
IME usually an average Polish university student has no problem in transferring and doing well at a typical US or UK university, this includes dealing with the language barrier.

An average US university student would not be able to cope at a typical Polish university, not including the langugage barrier.

FWIW
IronsE11  2 | 441  
10 Jun 2008 /  #35
FWIW that is utter bollocks. Poland has no universities in the same League as Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard etc.

I was an average UK student and if I could speak Polish, I could have been an average Polish student (not that I would want to).

My g/f transferred from the best uni in Krakow to....

wait for it....

The University of Middlesex.

'nuff said.
SeanBM  34 | 5781  
10 Jun 2008 /  #36
ARE YOUNG BRITS LESS INTELLIGENT THAN POLES?
No, well maybe, actually quite possibly, YES defiantly.
mafketis  38 | 10921  
10 Jun 2008 /  #37
Poland has no universities in the same League as Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard etc.

I did not say it does. I used words like 'average' and 'typical'. Let's look at that quote again:

"an average Polish university student has no problem in transferring and doing well at a typical US or UK university"

I was an average UK student and if I could speak Polish, I could have been an average Polish student (not that I would want to).

Your reading comprehension suggests otherwise.
noimmigration  
10 Jun 2008 /  #38
why dont you compare the technological, scientific, artistic and philosophical contributions given to the world by britain and poland.

what has poland ever contributed ? and nothing obscure, tell us something substantial.
Wyspianska  
10 Jun 2008 /  #39
what has poland ever contributed ?

me and that's enough
irishdeano  5 | 304  
10 Jun 2008 /  #40
i dont believe in this....every person no matter where they are from will do the work if they put their brains to it...the reason you get alot of better students in poland is because they need to get good grades at uni to be able to live a good life in poland....
ukpolska  
10 Jun 2008 /  #41
This is a personal observation after working in England as a teacher, and I found that the majority of teenagers in the UK lack personal motivation to learn, and in contrast this is exactly the opposite in Poland.

Maybe it is driven by an historical factor, where survival of the fittest comes into play?
One of the reasons that I decided to bring my daughter up in a Polish education system is that I feel she will have more opportunity with regards to University education than she would in England.

But as to which is better overall you cannot really compare them, as they are two different systems, and it seems a bit playgroundish to do so.
IronsE11  2 | 441  
10 Jun 2008 /  #42
"an average Polish university student has no problem in transferring and doing well at a typical US or UK university"

My example would suggest otherwise. What defines typical? Stop talking bollocks.

Your reading comprehension suggests otherwise.

My comprehension is fine. I just take issue with the utter bollocks you have posted. Your argument has no basis whatsoever.

Sorry.

This is a personal observation after working in England as a teacher, and I found that the majority of teenagers in the UK lack personal motivation to learn, and in contrast this is exactly the opposite in Poland.

But as to which is better overall you cannot really compare them, as they are two different systems, and it seems a bit playgroundish to do so.

True true.
noimmigration  
11 Jun 2008 /  #43
I scored 133 in an iq test and it also said I won a free car for participating. I am sure it will arrive any time soon.
Dzhaklin  3 | 166  
11 Jun 2008 /  #44
This is a personal observation after working in England as a teacher, and I found that the majority of teenagers in the UK lack personal motivation to learn, and in contrast this is exactly the opposite in Poland.

I think this is something that is plaguing the western world.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
11 Jun 2008 /  #45
It was an Englishman who invented the WWW and Scotsmen who invented just about everything else.
VaFunkoolo  6 | 654  
11 Jun 2008 /  #46
At the end of the day whose language are you speaking?

So lets talk about intelligence. And then lets talk about intelligence.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
11 Jun 2008 /  #47
I applaud the motivation of young Poles, their parents push them really hard too. They don't mind that they are put through misery in order to get somewhere. Brits are getting complacent
Dice  15 | 452  
11 Jun 2008 /  #48
If you look at the Nobel Prize laureates by country, UK is second in the number of Nobel Prize laureates in the World, right after the US. That is a huge achievement for a rather small country like the UK. And it pretty much proves that the UK educational system is a superior system above all the others.

As far as the Polish educational system goes, IMO the number of Polish educated engineers, doctors and collage professors doing manual work for a minimum wage in the UK pretty much proves my point.

Is one nation "smarter" then the other? I don't think so, people are the same everywere.

But there must be some kind of a problem either with the Polish educational system, or maybe with the Polish culture, or possibly with both. The prove is in the pudding.
ShelleyS  14 | 2883  
13 Jun 2008 /  #49
yup.you are right but after the uni one can earn 30.000£-40.000 a year insted of 15.000£ a year.it is all about how determined people are to improve their lives.sometimes they just choose the easier way.

If only that were true the average grad can expect to earn circa. 18k a year - a Solicitor training gets only about 14K thats after they have graduated uni with a law degree..., not sure where you get your numbers from Mr R but it's simply not true..You only have to look at the graduate training programmes in all the large companies and the salaries they offer...
rafik  18 | 589  
13 Jun 2008 /  #50
do you want to say that studying here is just a waste of time?i only know 2 people here who have a degree and are really well off.maybe they are just lucky?

it's not that straightforward.there are diffrent jobs and different wages.i think that it's worth having a go.just my opinion.
ShelleyS  14 | 2883  
13 Jun 2008 /  #51
I am in no way saying that its not the way to go because I think it is, but there isnt a pot of gold waiting at the end of the rainbow, your friends are obviously not recent grads, like anything building a career takes time but having a degree is something that opens more doors...
z_darius  14 | 3960  
16 Jun 2008 /  #52
PhD required and 9-10,000 British pounds PER YEAR. Hell, Ronaldinho may make 3 times that, IN ONE DAY. That's an afternoon's work for the man.

The thread is about intellectual achievements, not about who made how much in what short period of time. Your example doesn't disprove Polonius3's point.

Besides, wouldn't it be great if Ronaldinho had some brains to go with his physical skills? Last weekend I met Michael "Pinball" Clemons. Very intelligent and well rounded person, not just a pile of muscles and joints.

Because a GB degree is recognised around the world and that fact we have some of the top unis in the world counts for something too!

It all depends in what country, what specialty and on some politics. Polish degrees are also recognized around the world. Mine were in the US and Canada.Polish secondary school diplomas have been recognized in UK since at least 1980's.
southern  73 | 7059  
16 Jun 2008 /  #53
Hell, Ronaldinho may make 3 times that, IN ONE DAY. That's an afternoon's work for the man.

You can become a Ronaldhinio every day.No need for PhD.
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
16 Jun 2008 /  #54
i can't believe this topic, i mean really how low do people want to stoop to slag of the english???
isthatu2  4 | 2692  
16 Jun 2008 /  #55
It was an Englishman who invented the WWW and Scotsmen who invented just about everything else.

too true :)

At the end of the day whose language are you speaking?

So lets talk about intelligence. And then lets talk about intelligence.

"ffffsshhheeeeeewww",thats the sound of that point flying way over the heads of the jingoists :)
Seanus  15 | 19666  
16 Jun 2008 /  #56
Well, I guess we are never gonna know the true answer as young Brits are just too lazy to take the IQ tests, NOT. It serves no purpose.

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