This is a phenomenon exist everywhere,native loves it in boom time,because other nations does the unwanted jobs,but they want those jobs back in bust time.
Wrong, show me where the people of UK or Ireland voted for mass immigration. Every, and I mean every, opinion poll showed that the people where oppossed to mass immigration. They neither wanted it in the boom time or the recession time.
The UK and Ireland does not need mass immigration. Never did and never will. A house of commons report, done 18 months ago, showed immigration had a negative affect on the economy. The only ones who benefit are big businesses, landlords, politicians, and the immigrants themselves. The natives pay the social and economic costs.
Ireland and the UK can do whatever the fook it likes, dont lecture me. We are a sovereign nation. We have done more than enough for you already and the country is on the verge of bankruptcy.
At present we are borrowing 70,000,000 a million a day. 50,000 of you are here on welfare at 204 euro a week. My grandchildren will be paying back that debt and for what? To subsidise poles? Cop on.
If you earn less than 35,000 euro you dont pay income tax. This myth that you are entitled to welfare as you paid taxes is nonsense. The welfare state was set up as a safety net for citizens who fell on rough times, not as a fishing net for foreigners.
50,000 of you are here on welfare at 204 euro a week
What are you talking about,I'm not even polish,we're debating an issue not lecturing you.
If you earn less than 35,000 euro you dont pay income tax. This myth that you are entitled to welfare as you paid taxes is nonsense. The welfare state was set up as a safety net for citizens who fell on rough times, not as a fishing net for foreigners.
I don't know about Ireland,in Uk you start paying tax as soon you hit about 5-6k.
but caps still needed to be imposed.
Sorry I didn't get it (on what) welfare or immigration?
On both. The level of 204 Euro a week is pretty high. I did the Math and that works out at over 3700PLN a month. There has to be reasonableness in life.
tombrownscotland.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=35 this is a level-headed account. Realistic and practical.
Add to that medical cards, rent allowance, council houses, child allowance, yadda yadda.
They are pillaging our exchequer, aided and abetted by the liberal open border fanatics.
Not to worry, my grandkids will pick up the tab, probably have to work into their late 70s. Have to pay the foreigners and make sure they are looked after, cant be called racist now can we.
In UK? if so I'm always for cutting public spending,even more adamant on welfare,I never claim welfare except child benefits.
I think non-governments body should revise the welfare(cut it or raise it),when it comes to immigration from outside EU I'm for it,since we can't stop EU members to shop around.
Well,United EU is great for purchase power against USA,military collaboration great,sharing technology great,workforce and job protection not so good,look at it the same way the two side of Germany got together,west side was carrying dead wood for sometimes,eventually both will play their roles.
I wish to remain neutral. I do not want to see Irish men fighting in foreign wars for oil. We have shared technology for centuries, we do not need the EU for that. The EU started off as a trading bloc, it should have stayed that way. One of the EU aims is to water down nationality and create a european federal superstate. Like all empires it will fall.
The one size fits all model does not work. In theory a united europe sounds great, but it does not work in practice. Every country has its own agenda.
East Germany is a shii-- of the highest order. Still, they are one nation. I have as much in common with the Poles as I do with those from Southern Yemen. This "european unity" is bull. I am an Irishman first and an Irishman last. Nothing else. To hell with the EU.
Us Irish should be tapping up America ala Israel, increase imports and exports. We have 80 million claiming Irish ancestry, it would be of great benefit to Ireland to make use of this resource.
ANYWAY, this is all off topic. If I was a British citizen I would take this to the courts. It is illegal. The idea of foreigners being given preference over the natives preposterous and pretty much sums up Nu-Labours immigration policies since entering government.
But that of course, would **** off the masters in Brussels. It would have to be EU approved. Why a nation, with a diaspora as large as Ireland, looks to eastern europe and the third world for any labour shortages I do not know. Its ludicrous.
Anyway I found this online,
Article 1 1. For the purpose of this Convention the term "discrimination" includes:
( a ) Any distinction, exclusion or preference made on the basis of race, colour, sex, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin, which has the effect of nullifying or impairing equality of opportunity or treatment in employment or occupation;
( b ) Such other distinction, exclusion or preference which has the effect of nullifying or impairing equality of opportunity or treatment in employment or occupation as may be determined by the Member concerned after consultation with representative employers' and workers' organisations, where such exist, and with other appropriate bodies.
2. Any distinction, exclusion or preference in respect of a particular job based on the inherent requirements thereof shall not be deemed to be discrimination.
3. For the purpose of this Convention the terms "employment" and "occupation" include access to vocational training, access to employment and to particular occupations, and terms and conditions of employment.
The British people should take this case to an employment tribunal.
As I said, Poles set up these little enclaves to try and carve out a little Poland within the UK. I have nothing against voluntarily helping them get set up but the wording above is pretty clear. What is the sense in having legislation if you are not going to enforce it??
There has to be an even playing field and also finding the most suitable candidate for the job, local or otherwise. They also received vast amounts of help which was paid for by the standard taxpayer. Again, I'd have no real objection were I in the UK but there needs to be a sense of balance.
Are eastern europeans still entering the UK job market? Is there any evidence that they are leaving in large numbers? Is there resentment?
I think its safe to say that there is a certain degree of resentment, not only towards member of A8 countries but more so towards those from outside of the EEA, I would say the fact the BNP got a couple of seats in the recent European elections pretty much sums up the feeling in the country.
Not sure they are leaving in large numbers, but the figures for those arriving are dropping, a friend of mine went back to Poland in December he's just come back because he wasnt prepared to work for minimum wage (5zl) when he can earn about £30K here for the skills he has.
This is a phenomenon exist everywhere,native loves it in boom time,because other nations does the unwanted jobs,but they want those jobs back in bust time
The native? The English have been unhappy with immigration since the 1950s - we were quite capable of cleaning our own loos and serving in bars and working in shops, in fact all my local pubs have English people behind the bar (always have done) and my local Sainsburys has all English staff (always has done) on the tills. You seem to look at it through foreign eyes, you simply cant see it from an indiginous persons point of view, because you are not an indiginous English man. The "unwanted" jobs is a myth created by the press, who do you think did these before we had immigration? It will be the same people that will do them if we leave the EU and work on a strict points based system.
It's understandable that many Poles would want to leave as I've heard some jobs for 5PLN per hour here. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's 5.35p/h as the minimum wage in the UK (5.15?). In real terms, that's about 19/20PLN. More and more I see people handing out fliers/leaflets and they get peanuts for it. They are getting protectionist but doing so in the UK. What is the national minimum wage in Poland?
What the fook are you talking about man! I think you mean America, in the early 20th century maids and buttlers in this country were white, not black or asian in this country.
lol, Grunwald is a sharp kid.
Actually he's quite stupid because he was completely wrong.
It's understandable that many Poles would want to leave as I've heard some jobs for 5PLN per hour here. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's 5.35p/h as the minimum wage in the UK (5.15?). In real terms, that's about 19/20PLN. More and more I see people handing out fliers/leaflets and they get peanuts for it. They are getting protectionist but doing so in the UK. What is the national minimum wage in Poland?
But what is the average price for rent in Poland? It's all relative really. I'd have to work 70 hours per week to survive on minimum wage (UK minimum) and pay my bills.
I though the same,cheecky :)
The only time slave labour became aparent in this country was when aisans opened factories, because my uncle paid his white working class all female machinists a good living! But like anything that was any good in this country it was replaced by nasty cheap imports from 3rd world countries, that fall apart in 2 minutes, because the people making them have no pride in what they do!
