Poles in Ireland, are they second class citizens?

i knew matty was special... :-)


thats a very good point, now you come to mention it... but how do you explain the bland cheese...?

Fair enough - Ill leave yourself and the Brits to get on with it so ;)

Just with regard to Ballsbridge, its not a place I would say is representative of Ireland in general - full of those horrible D4 kids etc - Im actually a bit surprised to hear of the abuse you were taking as I know a lot of foreigners here and while there are many things that they dont like about Dublin (weather as you say top of the list), I havent heard of any of them being verbally or physically abused in any way. I would like to think that type of thing wont become the norm.

Just on another point - you say you are running a business here - have you noticed any slowdown in custom yet? Would you mind saying what it is you do (feel free not to answer that if you wish) ? Unemployment rose by the highest monthly percentage since 1980 in January. I think its really only begun to hit the provinces so far but Id like to hear any thoughts you have on where our economy is headed. Personally, Im extremely bearish on our prospects to be honest.

Hehehe... Apparantly this is one thing that our people have in common, and yet we do seem to struggel to get along. At least in cyber world. :)


I was told recently that a manly-mans face is a square face. That’s just great, damn it! :/

;)

I have to go. Take care people.

I am still amazed that you are able to write, Shelly :)

I know the Irish women have bad taste in men, but I have only French, Italian, Spanish, Polish and BRITISH (LOL) woman around me :)

Tell me, oh Shelly, light of my life, what superior invention on the field of higher cuisine has the British Kitchen brought forward lately, besides the famous Breakfast?

And what's for dinner tonight, Shelly? What you're going to cook for your hubby? Is it going to be roastbeef again or a hop-over to the chipper for some good old Fish-n-Chips?

And as for my appearances: I couldn't care less, but I always make sure to dress up nice and be well groomed, but like said, I couldn't care less.

I know you meant the Dutch, but what about British women, being the ugliest in the world? Hm?

Well Shelly, it's time to prepare a good and decent meal for hubby when he gets home, so you better start cooking :)

Deise: I did not say I was running my own company, I just run a few international teams for the company I work for, but they are still my boys and girls :) I indeed noticed a slowdown as the volume of Irish calls is lowering since a few months indeed - hopefully not, but most likely to a point, somewhere in May or June, where we have to let a few go, even though I would hate that. And I lived in some lesser areas of Dublin before Ballsbridge: Blanchardstown and so on - it was there when I heard it said...

M-G (gets the feeling that Shelly once has been dumped very nasty by a Dutchman)

Well boys and girls, it was a pleasure talking to you all. I'm gonna go home and indulge myself in perhaps a few pints or so. There are no hard feelings on this side, in fact I am going to Britain in a fortnight :) It was good entertainment on a quiet day :) And Shelly, not all Dutch men are dorks; there are Dutchmen who are actually gentlemen and pay for the lady - in fact, I usually do :) So, I wish you all a pleasant evening and until the next time: don't drink too much, you'll only get drunk off it! :)

M-G (Ad Salutem)

better than frikkin FEBO...yikes ugh.


lmao...


and thats just the women.......


wrong,they are fresian...eikel.

Isthatu, if you refer to Frisian, well, then you obviously don't know what you're talking about, klootzak :) Frisians are always bragging that all the Dutch words are original from them, but how can this be if Frisian is a complete different language...They even stem from a different language...


Kissing off to ppl who posted tenthousand times on fora does not impress me, neither does flaming.


Ok, let me tell you what in continental Europe the general opinion is about Brits abroad (and I heard this more than once -stereotype, I know, and I don't mean to diminish any good-willing visitor from the UK, but just ask any publican in Amsterdam or in Paris or Berlin, Dublin or wherever): the women are mostly too drunk to stand on their own two feet at around midnight, screaming their head off and the men are loud shouting and singing with a nice dark-purple tan of too much sun on their shaved head, wearing usually a lightblue football shirt wich covers their beerbellies for a little more than 3 quarters. And when they talk, all four chins move at the same time, miraculously :) Brits abroad are not really that well-liked, if they get some sympathy, then it's only because they are good for making money off -after midnight they are too drunk to tell the difference between 5 and 20 Euro bills anyway: huh? ah well, they both are green, so they must have the same value...eehj Maik, you goh anodder one of those notes for mej? It's no enuff :)


As far as FEBO is concerned: I don't like that place either, but at least there is a little more variation there than just Fish and Chips and Chips and Fish and bread and Chips and Sausage and Chips and Chips and Sausage drowned in at least two liters of malt-vinegar, which you smell about 10 miles away. Proper British :)

M-G (Britannia rules the waves -lmao)

PS:

Again, boys and girls, this was the last post I am going to spend on this subject. After all, I came here not to play around with the British; I came here to grasp something of the Polish culture, language and habits. Therefore, I bid you all goodnight again and sleep tight and don't dream nasty dreams about evil MareGaea, because we all have to live on it anyway :)

M-G (Mother Earth)

Het zal me mien ret rosten.....

I HATE getting given a pint glass for my beer in Amsterdam and get a look like"my gosh,you are civilised" when I ask for a normal sized glass :) One reason I stick mostly to Jordaan or farther afield such as Arnhem :)(you only have to worry about drunken english once a year there,and they are mostly 85 year old ex Para's ;) )

Well, that's where I'm originally from anyway :) (I was born and raised in that area)

M-G

I agree, Dublin especially, I am from Dublin and I hope it is a minority of people to feel, think or say this???
I found that after 800 years of immigration, there are about 3.5 mill Irish in Ireland and 70 mill Irish world wide and that is not even the bad part...

. And soon after we got rich quick there were horrifying discussions about all these "F***ing Nigerians here".
I live in Poland and I really hope Polish people in my country are generally being threated with the same hospitality as I receive here, keeping in mind there are always dopes, such is life, even on this forum.

I also think that this is the first mass migration that Poland has had in a while, and you know bad news sells. I hope you are not there just for the money, at least at this stage MareGaea? I mean that you have made a life for yourself? I have here in Poland

In some other thread I already stated that I was transferred here by the company I work for. I am from Holland (as is probably wellknown in this forum:) ), a country one could hardly call a poor country. The money I get, however is more than I got for the same job in Holland, but this levels completely with the cost of living here. In fact I created employment for about 75 ppl here, regardless them being Irish, Polish or whatever. I have made a life for myself here and I do like it here: I've met great ppl of all origins. Besides the odd weirdo, that is. And it really depends in which part of the city you are in. The mentioned intercourse to my home country happened mainly in Blanchardstown, an area not known to produce the flower of the nation in general. Funny anecdote: I was talking to this chickadee in a club for over 20 minutes and suddenly she asked me "whereyafrom?" I said that I was from Holland. "Oh," was her response, "so you can't speak English? Do you speak English?" "No", I said to her, "I don't speak a word English, the sounds I make are only phonetic reproductions I hear all around me." Then I started to laugh. She didn't get it, only after explanation she got it...Nah :) But in all, I have made a pretty good life in this town, but in a few years from now I will be moving on to either the US or Canada. Not because I don't like Dublin, but my work at this point: setting up a running contact centre has been done.

M-G

I realised you are Dutch, it is a great country, incredibly forward thinking. Yeah don't expect to many brain cells from a chickadee, funny anecdote.

Is there a thread on Anecdotes? would be good for a laugh. I am sure all people living abroad could easily contribute.

wow what a great discussion.

I'm originally german and live in Ireland. I never had any problems here myself. Infact whenever I say that I am from germany they wont let me go and keep coming up with more and more stories about their own trips to germany (mostly about 88 in stuttgart).

Anyway there are people though that have told me that they are glad about people from germany, france, netherlands and so on but that they wouldnt be too fond of people from further east. Why that is I dont know but maybe because the polish people in the town i live seem to be sticking to their own and hardly mix with the locals. I was in Warsaw last week though and was very surprised as people there really seem to make the effort to get to know us and were extremely welcoming so maybe it is just the fact that it is easier to stay amongst your own when abroad.

For the rest I dont understand why people getting at their throats about which country is the greatest. I lived and worked in Ireland, the UK and the Netherlands and have to say all countries were great, the people lovely and the woman (well not all lol ) beautiful. There are ups and downs, good and bad things everywhere thats life but the good thing in this day and age is that if we dont like it we can pack our bags and move on. Now kiss and make up lol :)

Usually when I say where I'm from I get a one-word reply: "Amsterdam", usually followed by "Coffee Shop" and "Red Light District".

M-G

Unfortunately this is what most people know about your country not knowing what they're missing. Keukenhof, van Gogh and Amsterdam Museum, the lovely city of Utrecht and the Islands further up north to name a few.......

Ah yeah, but you know, every country has it's beautiful spots, that's not really a unique feature of the Netherlands, however, the Red Light District basically makes prostitution a business like any other business as well as the coffee shops do for soft-drugs and that truly is a unique feature of the country. Where in other countries these things are part of a shady subculture where ppl usually move around in the dark not to be detected by police or moral forces, we just put it out in the open, therefore making it more and better controllable, which in turn leads to less problems related to both. However, do not make that common mistake loads of ppl do and assume that soft-drugs are legal in Holland. They are not, officicially. They are condoned in order to give the police more time and space to focus on the real culprits: hard-drugs like cocaine, heroin and so on and the pushers of soft- and hard-drugs. But if you get caught with more than a certain amount of, say, haschies, you will go to jail, just like any other country. We have the best drugspolicy and the least drugrelated issues in the world. The control-bit of this whole thing is that we are a well-organized country and we like to put everything in strict cadres. Sometimes this country is over-organized.

M-G

If someone said to me Holland i would reply 'Polders'.

Ah yeah, that's another feature of Holland, but not truly unique. There are other countries who have them, they only call it differently.

M-G

So guys.......are Polish people 2nd class citizens in Ireland...or have I missed something in the last two pages...?....:)

id just like to point out to all that if youre not english then youre a foreigner and theres not much more to be said

What if you are British? :-P

not quite the same really... most of britain are a bunch of wannabes

So what youre saying is that if you're english you're not a foreigner in Ireland??? Care to elaborate?

Not according to me, but according to quite a bunch of brainless morons they are. You see, these morons are so superior to them that they don't need to be able to read, write or speak properly :)

M-G (notwithstanding the good ppl, though)

indeed - ireland is an english island which has become populated by potato eating foreigners, its a well know fact

Well we can blame an Englishman for our potato based diet! Sir Walter Raleigh planted the first potato in Ireland which he brought back from the Americas ;).

We took to them so much that when the crops failed in the 1840s half the population either starved to death or emigrated!

As for Poles being second class citizens, not true in my opinion. I think Poles are looked upon much more favourably be employers, police and officialdom in general, than those at the bottom of the Irish social system who are definitely second class systems. They tend to be exclusively Irish. To be honest the low life Irish, English and Scots are about as bad as I've come across anywhere and Ive travelled quite a bit. Very angry aggressive people.

Bubb..which cheek have you got you're tongue in? Us Irish...pure breed, racially pure and NEVER contaminated from the outside sea of warped and polluted DNA, would dearly like to know, which......part of us is English!!!

PS Same applies to the English.......:)

Any group who lives anywhere, who fails to learn the local lingo, who fails to learn the systems, culture or foibles of that country won't fair terribly well...this also applies to indigenous groups.

PS Its no longer "legal" as it used to be, to dis-criminate against any group........as it used to be...ie early 60s in English landladies windows....signs proudly proclaiming ....

"No Blacks, dogs or Irish"........note whose last in the list.

It was merely due to alphabetical reasons my dear Frank ;-) (nice to see you btw)

Hm, the Vikings went to Iceland and North America, taking along with them their women, dogs, sheep and Irish slaves.

M-G

There were people who were probably related to the Picts of Scotland, more than one group of Celtic people (P-Celtic and Q-Celtic speakers), Vikings, Normans, then even some Scots and English. Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy was half Brazilian as well.


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