it was in the same issue as "coming to a beach near you... the rise of the russian tourist" which was also interesting to read with poland placed 11th on the list of popular destinations with 169,179 russian tourist visiting last year in contrast to the uk with 6O,718 and 21st on the list
713,000 new foreign workers in UK
Its funny you say about Russian tourists, my parents spend quite a lot of time out in Cyprus and its full of Russians there.
Also when I was in Czech Republic last year I spent some time Karlovy Vary and most of the construction was being done by Russian firms and a great deal of the tourists were Russian...Its quite obvious that certain Russians have plenty of money :)
Also when I was in Czech Republic last year I spent some time Karlovy Vary and most of the construction was being done by Russian firms and a great deal of the tourists were Russian...Its quite obvious that certain Russians have plenty of money :)
I wonder why this thread hasn't been transferred to the off-topic lounge? After all, it's about the ca 700,000 work permits issued to non-UK workers in the UK, not in Poland. Of the number, not even half of the workers are Polish. Keeping the thread in the Polish-topics part of the forum may create the conviction all the workers are Polish.
If the thread pertained only to the alleged ca 200,000 work permits for the Poles, then it would be all right if it stayed where the present thread is.
Personally, I regard the first post in the thread as yet another blame-the-Poles utterance.
Once again, the vast majority of the foreign workers who have got the UK work permits aren't Polish. Any complaints about it, some?
:)
re: my parents spend quite a lot of time out in Cyprus and its full of Russians there.
Also when I was in Czech Republic last year I spent some time Karlovy Vary and most of the construction was being done by Russian firms and a great deal of the tourists were Russian...Its quite obvious that certain Russians have plenty of money :)
- The Russian press - the Nezavistnaya Gazyeta? - has bragged that hundreds of thousands of Russians have recently settled in England, mostly London.
Yet the press in Britain has been keeping quiet about it; no outrage and hateful branding on their part as in the case of the Poles (who, by the way, unlike the Russians, are in the EU and come to the UK legally, often practically dragged in by many Brit employers).
Some of you folks also have been keepin' quiet about this.
When the Russkies come to the UK, it's all smiles and hunky-dory, but when the Poles come, its oh so bad, right?
:)
If the thread pertained only to the alleged ca 200,000 work permits for the Poles, then it would be all right if it stayed where the present thread is.
Personally, I regard the first post in the thread as yet another blame-the-Poles utterance.
Once again, the vast majority of the foreign workers who have got the UK work permits aren't Polish. Any complaints about it, some?
:)
re: my parents spend quite a lot of time out in Cyprus and its full of Russians there.
Also when I was in Czech Republic last year I spent some time Karlovy Vary and most of the construction was being done by Russian firms and a great deal of the tourists were Russian...Its quite obvious that certain Russians have plenty of money :)
- The Russian press - the Nezavistnaya Gazyeta? - has bragged that hundreds of thousands of Russians have recently settled in England, mostly London.
Yet the press in Britain has been keeping quiet about it; no outrage and hateful branding on their part as in the case of the Poles (who, by the way, unlike the Russians, are in the EU and come to the UK legally, often practically dragged in by many Brit employers).
Some of you folks also have been keepin' quiet about this.
When the Russkies come to the UK, it's all smiles and hunky-dory, but when the Poles come, its oh so bad, right?
:)
_Sofi_
30 Jul 2007 / #34
Yet the press in Britain has been keeping quiet about it
that is odd....
When the Russkies come to the UK, it's all smiles and hunky-dory, but when the Poles come, its oh so bad, right?
maybe it's strangely not been covered by the press... but unfortunately i disagree that the Russian migrant workers get a good reception (in my work anyway). I think my workforce are intolerant of ANY migrant workers. sad but true where i am.
Sofi,
The main idea of this topic is that many foreign workers penetrate into UK and nobody knows exactly how much as well as the places they receive the work.
But that shouldn't be so. You for example know the concrete examples. Other people kow the same about their working place.
Did you think about publishing information about imigrants in your factory in Internet? If everybody does the same Brits will have the complete information.
It was informed their total number for UK is approximately 200 000. But they didn't come to work. Only to spend money gained within Russia. People with great capital already gained and sufficient to spend the rest of life in UK. Or the familiars of businessmen who is still in Russia.
Maybe this is the main reason why they are accepted better: they only spend money in UK and don't occupy working places.
The main idea of this topic is that many foreign workers penetrate into UK and nobody knows exactly how much as well as the places they receive the work.
But that shouldn't be so. You for example know the concrete examples. Other people kow the same about their working place.
Did you think about publishing information about imigrants in your factory in Internet? If everybody does the same Brits will have the complete information.
- The Russian press - the Nezavistnaya Gazyeta? - has bragged that hundreds of thousands of Russians have recently settled in England, mostly London.
It was informed their total number for UK is approximately 200 000. But they didn't come to work. Only to spend money gained within Russia. People with great capital already gained and sufficient to spend the rest of life in UK. Or the familiars of businessmen who is still in Russia.
Maybe this is the main reason why they are accepted better: they only spend money in UK and don't occupy working places.
re: But tjey didn't come to work.
- From my direct experience, there are scores of Russians in every city in England (I visit frequently, due to an assignment). - Just walk in the street and you'll hear the Russian language frequently. The people who speak it don't look like those with 'great capital' at the least. They are dresses like ordnary folks. They take buses. They seem to be going to and from regular work at regular times. They go to regular - affordable - shops, such as ASDA. It seems they are working someplace in England.
re: they only spend money in UK and don't occupy working places
- What do you mean by 'occupy working places'? Do you mean taking work away from the British? - If so, the truth is the Polish people take jobs the British wouldn't take. What's more, the Poles work on these crappy badly paid jobs very well - no absences, no being late, etc. If the Poles didn't take these jobs, some Brit businesses would have big-time losses or probably even go under. The Poles are a rare asset indeed to the Brit employers.
The Brit government knows that and that's why they don't put any limits on the number of Polish workers in the UK, in spite of the heavy pressure from the media psychopaths (whose sponsors - guess who they are? - want to flood the UK with Africans and other Third World).
- From my direct experience, there are scores of Russians in every city in England (I visit frequently, due to an assignment). - Just walk in the street and you'll hear the Russian language frequently. The people who speak it don't look like those with 'great capital' at the least. They are dresses like ordnary folks. They take buses. They seem to be going to and from regular work at regular times. They go to regular - affordable - shops, such as ASDA. It seems they are working someplace in England.
re: they only spend money in UK and don't occupy working places
- What do you mean by 'occupy working places'? Do you mean taking work away from the British? - If so, the truth is the Polish people take jobs the British wouldn't take. What's more, the Poles work on these crappy badly paid jobs very well - no absences, no being late, etc. If the Poles didn't take these jobs, some Brit businesses would have big-time losses or probably even go under. The Poles are a rare asset indeed to the Brit employers.
The Brit government knows that and that's why they don't put any limits on the number of Polish workers in the UK, in spite of the heavy pressure from the media psychopaths (whose sponsors - guess who they are? - want to flood the UK with Africans and other Third World).
- What do you mean by 'occupy working places'? Do you mean taking work away from the British? - If so, the truth is the Polish people take jobs the British wouldn't take. What's more, the Poles work on these crappy badly paid jobs very well - no absences, no being late, etc. If the Poles didn't take these jobs, some Brit businesses would have big-time losses or probably even go under. The Poles are a rare asset indeed to the Brit employers.
We are discussing public attitude sometimes irrational. Polish government also tryes to attract workers from Ukraine for badly paid jobs and I'm sure that will also cause public fear as it happens in UK. Many imigrants are in Russia. They are also personae non gratae. Public doesn't differ those who want to naturalize and those who are going to live for some 2-3 years to gain money.
Public in its majority is unable to analyze
re: don't occupy working places.
- Even from the first post in this thread one can learn that in just one year as many as ca 500,000 non-Polish foreigners got permission to work in Britain.
But the press psychopaths in Britain take this quietly, approvingly. They only start raging, and after them some good folks on this forum, when Poles dare to get work in Britain, even though the Poles do it legally, without forcing any one - e.g. by complaining to 'human rights' - to give them the work.
There's no systematic rage at the ca million foreign illegals (how many of them sneaked in from the likes of Russia and Ukraine?) in the UK either.
- Even from the first post in this thread one can learn that in just one year as many as ca 500,000 non-Polish foreigners got permission to work in Britain.
But the press psychopaths in Britain take this quietly, approvingly. They only start raging, and after them some good folks on this forum, when Poles dare to get work in Britain, even though the Poles do it legally, without forcing any one - e.g. by complaining to 'human rights' - to give them the work.
There's no systematic rage at the ca million foreign illegals (how many of them sneaked in from the likes of Russia and Ukraine?) in the UK either.
- From my direct experience, there are scores of Russians in every city in England (I visit frequently, due to an assignment). - Just walk in the street and you'll hear the Russian language frequently. The people who speak it don't look like those with 'great capital' at the least. They are dresses like ordnary folks. They take buses. They seem to be going to and from regular work at regular times. They go to regular - affordable - shops, such as ASDA. It seems they are working someplace in England.
Where do they work? As workers? Or ans programists, researchers etc?
If they are workers, is the majority from Russia? Not Lithuania, Layvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Belarus or Moldova?
As far as I know workers can have good jobs in Russian megapolis without imigration problems.
Prostitutes and those who are looking for adventures chose Spain.
re: Where do they work? As workers? Or ans programists, researchers etc?
- Wherever they work, they are committing the same unspeakable crime as Poles are - working in the UK.
re: Not Lithuania, Layvia, Estonia
- As far as I know, at present these particular peoples are only too happy to speak their own languages and be unwlling to know anything about Russian.
I think the folks I mention in my previous post are Russians. You've got a characteristic way of behaving and speaking. The Ukranians (don't they usually speak Ukrainian, by the way?) are different in this respect. Of course, half of Ukraine is ethnic Russians, but it's another story.
- Wherever they work, they are committing the same unspeakable crime as Poles are - working in the UK.
re: Not Lithuania, Layvia, Estonia
- As far as I know, at present these particular peoples are only too happy to speak their own languages and be unwlling to know anything about Russian.
I think the folks I mention in my previous post are Russians. You've got a characteristic way of behaving and speaking. The Ukranians (don't they usually speak Ukrainian, by the way?) are different in this respect. Of course, half of Ukraine is ethnic Russians, but it's another story.
- As far as I know, at present these particular peoples are only too happy to speak their own languages and be unwlling to know anything about Russian.
There are lots of Russian speaking people in Baltic states. They don't feel prospects there and have opportunity to work legally in other European states. In Latvia and Estonia Russian speaking people do their best to be good in English. Nearly the majority of them is preparing to leave for UK. Many of them has already left. That are some 500 000 in general. That is the reason I asked you about their citizenship.
Their total number should be greater than the number of Poles (if it is not so now it will be so). Besides that the persentage of those who has come from Latvia or Esronia to stay in UK forever should be higher than the percentage of Poles. Poles usually return home and these people don't usialli consider Latvia or Estonia is a better home that UK
Being a Pole you can realize these people are Russian speaking. And as to Brits. Do you think the man in the street can determine their ethnicity by language or knows a characteristic way of behaving and speaking? For Brits they are from Baltic states as passports show.
That's the reason why Brits think Russians came to waste money only: People with Russian passports don't frequiently work in UK. If they work, they do it among intellectuals without high grade of xenofoby.
As to Russian speaking workers their nationality in major cases isn't Russian but Ukranian or Baltic
re: Besides that the persentage of those who has come from Latvia or Esronia to stay in UK forever should be higher than the percentage of Poles. Poles usually return home and these people don't usialli consider Latvia or Estonia is a better home that UK
- Truhlei, you may be right about this.
Well, let's see if these folks get the same hostile recepton from the media psychopaths in Britain, such as BBC, as the Poles have been getting. But then again, what's here to wait for? It's certain they will never be harassed by the hateful hacks as much as the Poles have been.
- Truhlei, you may be right about this.
Well, let's see if these folks get the same hostile recepton from the media psychopaths in Britain, such as BBC, as the Poles have been getting. But then again, what's here to wait for? It's certain they will never be harassed by the hateful hacks as much as the Poles have been.
It's certain they will never be harassed by the hateful hacks as much as the Poles have been.
Are you sure?
I think the attitude will become equal. The only thing that is the obstacle for today are the stereotypes. There were many Polish imigrants (Slavs and Jews) since even the 19 century and less people from Baltic states.
As to Poles and people from Asia, that is another question. You may ask why people don't pay attention to similarity of Poles while alien imigrants is a greater danger. That's clear to me. In Russia there are foreigners from Asia and Russian-speaking from Ukraine. Russians are frightened be people from the East but they also want to feel superiority over ethnic Russians with foreign passports. That is sometimes more attractive to feel superiority over the same white european man as you are.
I think many Brits have the same attitude.
I wish we knew more social psycology. That can explain much.
Puzzler,
There should be also other reasons why Brits are sometimes loyal to Russians.
There was a research of attitide toward Russians in different europen states. The best attitude was in Orthodox countries. They were followed by Slovakia. After Slovakia appears UK.
I think the main reason is a strong British opposition to today government.
Brits think government involved Nation into different conflicts all over the world, especially into Iraq conflict. They think government is trying to participate in Russian clans fight within former KGB and business and as a result confront with the whole Nation. That isn't the idea of the majority but of a high percentage. The result is sympathy towars simple Russians away from these clans.
If UK government supports openly liberast opposituon to moral Poles and confront the most representative Polish society, the result will be the same. I think this may occure in case of any gay manifestation in Poland support by British ruling circles. The majority of Brits who are naturally unable to superate its negative attitude toward perverts will be indignated by government and they may love Poles more for their confrontation with Brown government.
Truhlei, if more Russians were like you, the Poles would have a totally different attitude towards Russia and Russians. The Russian heavy-handedness is responsible for the inablity to help spread friendliness among so-called Slavic peoples. It's a pity indeed. I'm afraid only a great catastrophy can change this - not just as regards Poles and Russians, but all European nations. But ths all should be posted in a Polish-Rusian thread.