Of course not. I already said I could not imagine it, but you have to ask yourself: "Does rape justify murder?"
Like I said before, rapists are sick f*cks who deserve the worst punishments in the world.
but the baby will also have some of the rapists gene's, who is say that the baby wont grow into a criminal of sort.
i know, drawing long bows about how someone will develop but still a consideration.
again, you cannot condone killing a rapist (after he has eaten his nutsack) but be against abortion. rapists deserve much more than the pedestrian sentences they receive, but death??
That doesn't mean they don't have poor or unwealthy people. I'm sure that he'd be fine with Poles if homeless or "lesser-off" Englishmen were considered for jobs before the Poles. I can understant where he's coming from. It's a lot like the illegal immigrants here in the US.
poor and unwealthy in this country as well as in america means something else than poor and unwealthy in places like poland not to mention 3rd world countries.
a lot of able to work englishmen are too lazy to find a job. they say they go and look for job on the internet but can`t find anything. what a load of rubbish! there is a lot of jobs available on the internet you just gotta dedicate some of your time to find it.
El Gato, how can u be so blind? Yeah, 2 wrongs don't make a right but if a woman is RAPED for God's sake, how can u lumber her with a baby she doesn't want? That's amongst the stupidest positions I've ever heard. I'm not a fan of abortion either, especially for these thick young sluts who go running for an abortion because they are irresponsible and immature and messed up. However, can u even begin to imagine the mental anguish of a rape victim? I've known 1 so I can comment. To force her to have a baby on top of that is a kick in the teeth.
Try and focus on those who abuse the system more than innocent victims, thx. Don't tar them with the same brush
I'm not a fan of abortion either, especially for these thick young sluts who go running for an abortion because they are irresponsible and immature and messed up.
This topic has been discussed before and the outcome was, in general men think abortion is a terrible thing - maybe abortion wouldn't be so common place if women were secure in the knowledge that the man that got them pregnant was going to stand by them!
Sorry to just pick on you Mr S but your comments actually stuck out the most.
I've known 1 so I can comment. To force her to have a baby on top of that is a kick in the teeth.
I completely agree with you, although I think a kick in the teeth wouldn't quite describe it. Probably much worse. I can imagine how humilliating and disgraceful that must be for a woman, not too mention how it must be like to have a constant and unwanted reminder of the raping brute in her belly. I'm not a woman, but I can imagine having a child is a very intimate experience, and she shouldn't be put through a constant physical and mental violation of her dignity..
Having a child of the man that she wants is a choice for her to make. Such raping brutes should be locked up and castrated really. So that they would be deprived of having the pleasure of wanking over their foul deeds aswell..
That's a risk they have to take, like an expensive marriage ending in an expensive divorce. Sorry, u have to take risks in life and u can't go killing the embryo/foetus for the sake of a lack of dialogue. People can make agreements and be forced to honour them u know.
I'm not anti abortion either but I lean to this side. U gotta question why the Poles ban abortion. It's becoming a business and less of a moral issue
The baby hasn't always developed El Gato, it can be at the very early stages of any growth. I don't like the idea either but circumstances rather than absolute positions seem more realistic in this day and age.
being a woman, who has quite recently gone through pregnancy i must admit it wasn`t easy at all even though i had my loving partner right next to me. now to imagine being raped and having go through the same thing without any support would be extremely difficult as throughout pregnancy i was physically unable to work due to severe nausea and vomiting, i didn`t even have anough energy to cook food for myself in the first few months (it got better later on) and i was barely able to stand on my feet.
i think it should be up to a woman to decide whether or not she wants to keep her baby. personally i know what a wonderful thing a child is and what kind of a deep deep love it is you have for your child, i could never imagine myself having an abortion.
btw, silent scream in my opinion is a propaganda by the catholic church. there is no way that a featus (or call it underdeveloped baby in womb) can feel pain, let alone scream. infant`s nervous system is not fully developed even after its birth and featus starts feeling touch (not even pain yet) at around 28 weeks gestation. newborn baby feels pain less intense than an older baby, for example. in silent scream, the mouth movement of featus is probably caused by the suction the featus is experiencing, in no way it is a scream.
Well said Incubus, I agree with the last paragraph to the tee. A child is often a blessing, a wonderful thing. The most important thing is to make the right choice and stand by ur decision. Like euthanasia, u should constantly monitor ur decision making processes b4 making a final choice.
thanks Seanus, i never actually realised how much of a blessing a child is until i got pregnant and gave birth. it changes the way you look at many things :)
however, i do believe that women should have the choice. as horrible as aborting an unborn child is, in my eyes killing one that is born already is far worse as the unborn child doesn`t feel any pain physical and emotional. there is a lot of broken families, psycho mothers and fathers who beat their unwanted kids with the result sometimes being the child`s death. it makes me wanna cry.
Exactly, child abuse cases are so delicate. The incidence is quite high in Scotland. I studied the Children's Reporter system in some detail and it was quite disturbing just how many kids were embroiled in domestic disputes and beatings. My friend is a social worker and he sees first hand just how heinous the punishment dished out is. The bruises and scars in more than one sense.
Exactly, child abuse cases are so delicate. The incidence is quite high in Scotland. I studied the Children's Reporter system in some detail and it was quite disturbing just how many kids were embroiled in domestic disputes and beatings. My friend is a social worker and he sees first hand just how heinous the punishment dished out is. The bruises and scars in more than one sense.
Child poverty is at an insanely high rate in Canada. I believe that it is one of the highest of any 1st and 2nd world nations. In the 1990s Canada was constantly picked as best nation to live in by UN for years until a female Canadian scholar did a study about child poverty and found that rates were abnormally high for a nation such as Canada.
Thats just child poverty, there are also some serious issues coming out regarding spousal abuse. There is an 8-10 year waiting list for women that have been abused to get adequate housing from the government. The initiative was made so that women in these relationships could get out and get help but the system has been severely backlogged and a lot of these women have nowhere to go.
Women`s issues are international and not just restricted to 2nd and 3rd world countries.
Ok, i have some questions for the ladies on this forum who are completely against abortion. Let's say you just got raped. Would you actually keep the baby??? If so, why? Morals? Would you ever tell your child in the future?
poor and unwealthy in this country as well as in america means something else than poor and unwealthy in places like poland not to mention 3rd world countries.
a lot of able to work englishmen are too lazy to find a job. they say they go and look for job on the internet but can`t find anything. what a load of rubbish! there is a lot of jobs available on the internet you just gotta dedicate some of your time to find it.
You really dont have a clue yet do you? Its all relative init lahk.......Have you any idea the amount of homeless children in the UK? Or the fact that being p iss poor in a p iss poor country is better than being p iss poor in a country where disgusting amounts of wealth are on display everywhere.....you said having a baby changed your outlook,gawd knows how blinkered you must have been prior to childbirth.
Ok, i have some questions for the ladies on this forum who are completely against abortion. Let's say you just got raped. Would you actually keep the baby??? If so, why? Morals? Would you ever tell your child in the future?
I'm generally against abortion. However, I'm not an anti-abortion freak. I fully understand women who use their right to abort a pregnancy that was brought about by rape. I have no idea how I would beahve if I was raped and found myself pregnant.
I'm sure you can't imagine a greater emotional anguish. I don't know if I would get rid of the baby (sounds awful) but I'm pretty sure I'd give it up for adoption. I can't picture myself raising up a child who's come into this world as a result of the worst possible crime committed against me. I don't even want to think about it!
Lets chuck this little grenade in and see what happens. What about the morning after pill(technically the 72 hour after pill)? Surely this would be a standard thing to be given to a rape victim,along with retro shots and the like? Or do all you men so against abortion consider even blocking the possibility of a pregnancy as infanticide?
listen you moany fukin bastards if youre trying to tell 10000 polish bints had to have an abortion cos they got raped your avin a fukin bubble
bit like buying a lottery ticket greatly increases your chance of winning the lottery, having sex without contraception greatly increases your chance of getting pregnent... simple... innit?
use protection and watch jeremy kyle and then you wont have to have an abortion
He has a point tho, I'm not anti-abortion as a stance but I c the arguments against it more. Try being responsible, sex education starts at 10 after all.
Of course he has a good point,he always does, Its just that well,its a no brainer that those 10,000 birds were just dumb tarts who couldnt keep their legs closed,the thread had moved on to the extreme end of the argument where rape is always the hobby horse of those pushing agendas
Ok, i have some questions for the ladies on this forum who are completely against abortion. Let's say you just got raped. Would you actually keep the baby??? If so, why? Morals? Would you ever tell your child in the future?
it`s a very hard question cuz it`s hard to imagine the pain associated with being raped let alone being raped and gotten pregnant as a result of that. personally, i THINK i wouldn`t keep the baby even though as i said before having a child is probably the greatest thing in the world but having it as a result of a brutal rape, that`s a different story. when you have a child your world turns 360 degrees and i mean literally 360 degrees. life changes comepletely so it`s good to have the father of your child with you so that you can cope with that major change together. i really feel sorry for single mothers and fathers out there cuz it`s hard when there`s one child + the two of you, but there are women/men out there left alone with a bunch of kids to raise. it`s not easy. raising by yourself a child that was a result of a rape makes it that more difficult.
Rape is the hobby horse of those pushing agendas? Please elaborate comrade
Tak tochno tovarish... As in,whenever people attack the Church over its stand on abortion/contreception rape is always trotted out,the same happened when Amnesty International backed the right to abort as a human right,all the "moralists " on one side lined up with the old"its murder " and all the "moralists" on the other came out with,"but what about rape victims like in Darfur". Ie its an obviously emotive subject and neatly sweeps away the basic commen human right that it is a womans free choice to decide how she feels/copes with any given situation.
hehe, nothing except for everything :) you no longer live for yourself, you live for that little baby crying in the middle of the night (we`re pass the constant crying stage though, phheeew :)
