Irish Primary schools to teach Polish

I mean future generations of Irish people. The EU was very much desired by certain people and closer cooperation will become the norm. Just imagine, they will be able to converse in bars and build cordial relations. Is that so bad?

Why wont you answer this question?

Polish colonization of smaller countries is slow, but inevitable......

PolskaDoll

Ireland has not always been multicultural.

So, explain to me what exactly this Polish influence will be? Do you mean the numbers in the UK and Ireland? Well then surely the onus is on them to learn our languages. Not on us. You choose to come here, you adapt to our culture, not lobby us to change to suit you. You learn English and Irish. Do not pressurise us to teach Polish.

You want it both ways.

After the report today An bord snip núa will make sure some of the children most in need of education will be at a disadvantaged....

This country is sinking and sinking fast!!!! It's a sorry state and the only people to blame is Government...

We need to think outside the box because as a country by itself Ireland is finished!

Lie.

Nobody is, you are manipulating truths again.


what do you mean?.

I mean its good for children to learn languages such as Polish for example....it may be more of a benefit to them in the future.

Learning any language benefits the individual and the country.

moonlight

What are you doing to change it? Its all well and good to point the blame at Fianna Fail, the mass immigration party.

Learning Polish is pointless, it will not benefit Irish children. Learning their native tongue, German, French, or even Chinese will. These are important languages.

SeanBM

Indeed, maybe one day you will learn one? To move to a country and not even speak their tongue is the height of bad manners. When I go abroad I always attempt to speak with the locals in their language, it annoys me when monoglot English speakers go abroad and expect everyone to speak English.

wow SeanBM that's very odd, I was just about to write something VERY similar!!
No time spent language learning is time wasted.

That was a typing error, I meant to correct it. I didn't mean to include Ireland in that.


No I do not mean numbers at all. When you do have a large presence you begin to have an influence. You'll notice there are Polish communities, there are Polish shops, restaurants, some bus drivers or taxi drivers are now Polish.

If you think that children learning Polish means that Polish children don't need to learn English (or Irish) then I think you are reading this situation wrong. The intent of offering Polish as a language to learn is giving children an opportunity to learn a language that they may bother using in the future. You forget that Polish children in an English speaking classroom are already learning English by default. Kids also pick up languages quicker and better.

I don't understand this "pressurise" business. Your school authorities should be applauded for recognising the need to add something to the curriculum. Teaching the same old useless languages is the biggest waste of resource as far as I can see.

Absolutely PolskaDoll.....for example FRENCH!!! Totally useless, and yet theyre still wasting time attempting to "teach" it in Primary schools... bonjour,un deux trois, je m'appelle Johnny, year 2, year 3 , year 4 , over and over again...

At least if Polish is taught there may be some kids around to try the new words on....

I agree.
Although you are very stupid.


Well only because it is true, anyone who knows more than one language knows it.

Je m'appelle Sean. J'habite Gliwice en Polen. Aujord hui est vendredi, LOL.

See, what a dogs dinner I made of that ;)

It's not the height of bad manners at all. I know sb who has lived here for 12 years and hasn't learned Polish. Still, he gets by in other ways. It is preferable to learn it though.

PolskaDoll

Look Polska Doll, the Poles choose to come here. The onus is on them to adapt. The languages of Ireland are English and Irish. Learn them. Your attempts at introducing Polish as an official language where shot down in flames already in Ireland.

If a child wants to learn Polish, fine. Do so as an extra cirricular activity after school. Foreign children are holding back Irish students as their grasp of English is not as strong as the natives. This is a fact, my younger brothers education is faltering because of this and he is not reaching his full potential as the teacher is spending time teaching english as well as the cirriculam. There is simply not enough hours in the day for the teacher to do this. Introducing Polish classes will intensify this problem. Learning another language is not a waste of time, maybe I was being harsh, but is spending forty minutes a day teaching Polish the best resource of the time available, I do not think so.

A proposal I would make is this, after school classes, with foreigners and natives, learning each others languages. It would not affect time in the class room and would increase integration and improving foreign childrens grasp of the language. I doubt it would cost 1.5 million to implement either. A win win situation.

To the rest

You cannot compare French to Polish. French is a beautiful language, unlike English and Polish.

C'est la langue d'amour

What am I doing to change it???? having an open mind and willing to accept the change that is needed, having my wages cut,paying levies, services decreased, - what are you doing? You want Ireland to be a little Island all by itself and you think that will slove the ****? How do you see your ideas improving Ireland?


How will that help all the children, who when they are old enough will leave this country? I agree we need to keep the language alive, but saying it is of use?

LOL - yes, everyone knows that one. It is a pity they don't remember anything else after years of NOT using the language. ;)

In an ideal world schools would offer a huge list of languages and students could pick the one they wanted but the world isn't ideal so I'm pleased that at least one authority has decided to look at what might be more useful for their pupils futures. :)

moonlight

I dont have the time to write another long post. I will do so tomorrow.

Oh, and for my survey, what languages do you speak?

SeanBM and Dtaylor, speak a little bit of this and that. They are monoglots yet live abroad. Shows their ignorance.

PolskaDoll

I am fluent in French after five years learning it. It is not that difficult, and I was a little bollix in school. The Irish education system is very good, but I suppose they did produce SeamBM. That is one blot on their copybook.

moonlight, i enjoy readin your posts, just thought i would say that.
Good night all :)


There might be a God after all.


Ah shucks.


Survey? you are a complete knobend.


Who said anything about a bit of this and that ha ha ha, goodness you are bad at this.


This I can agree with.

The colonisation of Ireland is in full swing. All systems go.

SeanBM

Dtaylor said he speaks a little of this and a little of that. But in fact he is a monoglot. As are you, living abroad without being fluent in that nations language, you gormless little man.

Good night RevokeNice, my friend.

You've already been culturally and linguistically absorbed once by outsiders, why put up a fuss now?

Bye bye Eire, hello Rzeczpospolita Irlandzka!

define "fluent"

niejestemcapita

Able to speak with native speakers without difficulty. To be able to hold a conversation.

mafketis

Yes, indeed, we can still see the affects of that continued colonisation of my country. Dead soldiers being sent home in bodybags.

I wouldnt repeat those words in certain parts of Ireland. Both north and south. A word from the wise. Heres a bit of advice, when in Ireland and someone asks you about politics or history. Say nothing.

Absolutely pointless for me, my English is moderate I reckon ;) and I live in Scotland.


We're not talking about making it an official language here. I don't need to repeat what we are actually talking about.

Teachers not have enough time in the day is not caused by Polish children, it's caused by numerous things like large class sizes, misbehaving children etc, etc.


Yes of course it is. Have you not been reading the replies in this thread? Try to see past your blinkered vision.


How often do you use it?


I already said I learned German but after never using it I now forget it.

I speak no other languages (ok whatever Irish and French I learned at school and I'm learning Polish now) but I feel it is important to know as many languages as possible. It opens up more opportunities - trade and business is global and I dont think any language is not benefical to have when it can be used for such opportunities. I may not be as educated as you or speak many languages but I don't feel this makes my opinion any less valid but then I am just one of those normal average Irish citizens who is not happy with our situation but I see where the blame lies.

Is that right? rather than the google translate crap u used before?


Excellent, thanks, i must be fluent sharing a flat with 3 other Poles who dont speak English ;)

So come on, impress us all ;)

PolskaDoll

Did I say it was just Polish children, no I did not. Its mostly the blacks and the browns if I am completely honest. The odd day I have to pick up my bro from school early, its like feeding time at the zoo. The teacher is only 25(and quite cute) and she is not trained to deal with non English speaking foreigners. Oh there are only three Irish in the class. Out of 34. Madness. Segregation should be enacted, until they can speak English fluently.

First off it will be Polish. Then Polish history. You get the picture, this is being orchestrated by a Polish lobby group. Once you give in to one of their demands, it snowballs.

There are much more important languages they could be taught. French, German, Spanish, Japanese, Chinese etc etc.

As I said, this should be done outside of the the normal school day.

moonlight

Dont be putting yourself down.

Dtaylor

I did not use google translation you silly dress wearing tool. Impress you? Why would I want to do that? I dont care what your opinion is of me. I am here to listen to oppossing views from my own. I could post on an Irish forum but I would be preaching to the choir. I find this more interesting and worthwhile.

What school is this?

I really hate saying this, but im starting to think about ur real motives being here. What have u contributed?

I find that comment abhorrhent and hateful