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EU integration of Polish nationals in the UK vs no surrender


Del boy 20 | 254  
7 Jul 2008 /  #1
I know that this subject is very very controversial but for us Poles who live in UK/Ireland or some people in general this may to be an important case. Do we can have civilised discussion about the Orange Order here on the polish forums?

I am particularly interested in an influence on integration foreign nationals in Scotland and Northern Ireland by the Orange Order.
So please don’t delete this thread immediately, lets just let some people express some views on this subject ( the idea of whole protestantism is simple; free speech so… leave it and allow to face reality )
noimmigration  
7 Jul 2008 /  #2
I have protestant friends aswell as catholic friends, the orange order are a differant story. The orange order is a bigoted organisation that exists ONLY to hate catholics. They march specificly in catholic areas, they are forbidden to marry atholics or even enter a catholic church or funeral. And the orange ranks are usually made up of the shallow genetic gene pools of the bohemian underclass.

P.S I am an atheist, and I am looking at this as a person unaffiliated with either side.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
7 Jul 2008 /  #3
I tend to agree. Tradition dictates that it is permissible but the Orangemen just do it to be vindictive.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Jul 2008 /  #4
England is very different from Northern Ireland in this respect. I hope to be able to speak for all of England (something I don't usually presume to be able to do), that any kind of Protestant - Catholic divide is ancient history and these days it is a non-story.

Northern Ireland protestantism is dominated by Presbyterianism, whereas in England it is dominated by the Church of England (much closer to Catholicism) and it is far more diverse. The scene in Scotland seems to be a little closer to Northern Ireland, but certainly without nearly as much of the trouble. Wales is quite mixed in different forms of Protestantism and Catholicism.

The "troubles" in Northern Ireland are so deep-rooted and complicated (despite the very simple brains of many who get involved), that a simple look at who follows which branch of Christianity merely scratches the surface.

The Roman Catholic church is, I believe, the fastest growing church in the UK, and not just from Polish migrants as someone once stated on this 'ere forum. In Northern Ireland, this would be accounted for by the faster growing Catholic population. (See the "Every Sperm is Sacred" song from Monty Python's Meaning of Life.)
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
7 Jul 2008 /  #5
The Orange Order started off in Ireland in the late 18th century, it brought together a number of Protestant fraternities ( orders, fraternities etc were very popular at the time ). They came to Scotland as the Irish migrated to the industrialised Clyde valley looking for work in the mid 19th century.

Today they are mainly from the central belt of Scotland and from Northern Ireland.
To some, the marches are an embarassment and are ridiculed - to others the marches celebrate the victories of William of Orange over the mainly catholic armies of King James IV.

P.S. Thought for the day - aren't Protestants just Catholics that are Protesting?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Jul 2008 /  #6
They're just bitter that orange trees don't grow in cold wet Northern Ireland.
OP Del boy 20 | 254  
7 Jul 2008 /  #7
see youtube: Sons of William Loyal Orange Lodge 209

what the Orange Order have common with an American flag?
noimmigration  
7 Jul 2008 /  #8
Protestants just Catholics that are Protesting?

They both believe in lies, so catholics and protestants are the same to me.

Just as christians and muslims are.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
7 Jul 2008 /  #9
Well said noimmi. They pride themselves on their differences, completely ill-defined, and use them as an excuse to fight. Let the losers fight it out.
irishdeano 5 | 304  
7 Jul 2008 /  #10
Orangemen are actually very big bigots. as william of orange aka King Billy was send to kill the King of england King james by the POPE and a Catholic army.so they are actually supporting the pope and a catholic army who killed King james but they hate catholics.
OP Del boy 20 | 254  
7 Jul 2008 /  #11
so irishdeano
the orangemen were supporting the pope and catholic army? I am a bit confiused
Arien  
7 Jul 2008 /  #12
They both believe in lies, so catholics and protestants are the same to me. Just as christians and muslims are.

Which are all different individuals, with individual reasons for joining those particular religions. Also, most of those people all have their own ideas about those religions.

Unfortunately, in certain regions, some people experience extreme social pressure or worse if they don't join the favoured religion.

So it's a little more complex as you've just put I'm afraid.
OP Del boy 20 | 254  
7 Jul 2008 /  #13
sorry for my mistake, the orange order and william of orange are two different storys but we all know, that after a while they were tight up close togeher
noimmigration  
7 Jul 2008 /  #14
So it's a little more complex as you've just put I'm afraid.

religion is ********, people who believe in god are simple. How is it more complicated than that.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
7 Jul 2008 /  #15
orangemen were supporting the pope and catholic army?

Its all to do with 17th century European politics. Without the Popes blessing William of Orange wouldn't have been able to fight King James.

King Louis of France was a bigger threat to the Vatican and Williams incursion in Ireland was a distraction from this. There is some evidence to suggest that William was funded by the Vatcian.

Opium for the masses etc
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
7 Jul 2008 /  #16
people who believe in god are simple

Like Einstein...he was such a simple man.
noimmigration  
7 Jul 2008 /  #17
well done szkotja2007 ..... well done. You deserve a bannana.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
7 Jul 2008 /  #18
noimmigration

I love you.

( Bannana - you missed out an "n", should be Bannanna)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
7 Jul 2008 /  #19
Einstein, another supersmart Jew. The Jews have produced some top intellects
OP Del boy 20 | 254  
7 Jul 2008 /  #20
Extremely good PR, this is it
I wouldn’t go too far with this.

Have some pride Sir :)
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
7 Jul 2008 /  #21
Einstein, another supersmart Jew. The Jews have produced some top intellects

Ahh, but he was a simple man ;)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
7 Jul 2008 /  #22
Well, u know, he had 2 eyes, a nose and a mouth :) As simple as it gets ;)
Arien  
7 Jul 2008 /  #23
religion is ********, people who believe in god are simple. How is it more complicated than that.

I was talking about the social structure, social control, social pressure and social status in any given group of people which usually causes the newcomers or newly born in such groups to adapt to the favoured religion, ideology or culture of that particular group.

Excuse me, but your statement is a little too simple for me. I have one simple question for you that I would like you to answer with a simple yes or no..

Are all of the English the same just because they were born in England? Now, regardless of what your answer will be, for me, a yes to such a question would be an answer from a simple person.
noimmigration  
7 Jul 2008 /  #24
The ronage order is not a nation of people, it is an order of similer people from similer backgrounds that hold the same perverted view of another group of people.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
7 Jul 2008 /  #25
The ronage order, is that the politically correct version? LOL
Arien  
7 Jul 2008 /  #26
You are being evasive. Not clever. You know I mean that you make a generalization which is too simple. Not all people who believe in a God have those perverted vieuws of another group of people. Also, to say that a group of people which consists out of millions and millions of people worldwide which all have different approaches and practices are all the same is way too simple.

And, I have seen enough comments coming from you displaying quite perverted vieuws about the Polish, and now about Christians, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims to safely state you are a fine example of the very same person you are calling simple.

I think now would be a good time to give up this argument with me?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
7 Jul 2008 /  #27
I'm sorry Arien, please forgive me ;)
OP Del boy 20 | 254  
7 Jul 2008 /  #28
What all this have to do with the orange order and EU integration? ... muslim case ? crying about noimmi? complying about bad world ?
Just stick to the subject for fcuk sake. Please
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
7 Jul 2008 /  #29
French Connection United Kingdom wouldn't mind a digression. Just so long as it's good for business, LOL

Lovely jubbly!! ;)
OP Del boy 20 | 254  
7 Jul 2008 /  #30
he who dares wins ;)

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