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hospitals in the uk


rafik 18 | 589  
29 Mar 2008 /  #1
media here keep banging on about lack of hygene in the uk's hospitals."we should do this we should do that" they say.in my opinion the reason is very simple:recruting nurses from the 3rd world countries like india,bangladesh,philipnessec,african countries ect.hygene there is a different word to what we know.i shared a house with a few indians and know that we think about hygene diffrently.sweeping the floor usualy finishes with dust and dirt swept in a corner of a room.i'm not making it up.i had a lot of arguments about that and a few other things concerning hygene.i also used to work in a pizza shop and quite often saw ppl come out of the toilet without washing their hands and go to make a pizza straight after that.a lot of people these countries,especially those who come here from poor families just don't care.solution?employ the europeans.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
29 Mar 2008 /  #2
You racist... Maybe some people should start educating themselves enough, so they wouldn't have to hire foreigners to do these jobs ?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #3
How is he racist Greg? What he says is very true
Wroclaw Boy  
29 Mar 2008 /  #4
especially those who come here from poor families just don't care

Who does when your in a dead end job that you dont really like.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
29 Mar 2008 /  #5
What he says is very true

So why do British hire these people ?
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Mar 2008 /  #6
Perhaps they need to reach their quota of BME staff
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
29 Mar 2008 /  #7
rafik,there is one clue as to why you are talking out of your arse....Nurses dont clean hospitals...cleaners do,and,not sure where you live but most of the cleaning staff in the hospitals in these parts are gnarled old white birds,you know,rejects from the jeramy kyle show....
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #8
British employers hire these people bcoz they are cheap, period!! Also, a certain percentage of the staff needs to be of foreign origin as they must ensure that discrimination is seen not to exist.

Nurses don't clean hospitals, exactly
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Mar 2008 /  #9
Nurses dont clean hospitals

Not strictly true....my neighbour is a ward sister at the local hospital, a major hospital that serves a large part of the county, they do not employ cleaners at the weekends, so the nurses have to do any cleaning required, as well as try to nurse patients, it's that sort of thing that causes cross contamination.......my neighbour has resigned and taken a job in a small hospital in another town
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #10
I think isthatu meant that it isn't in standard job specifications.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Mar 2008 /  #11
No it shouldn't be....... but it's what's happening......everything is target drive, they want to kick patients out of the beds ASAP and put another one into that bed ASAP and if that happens at a weekend, it's the nurse that has to clean and prepare everything

Nurses are having to do a lot of things that are not on their job description

My neighbour has been nursing for over 30 years, she was off sick for three weeks before Christmas with stress, the first time in her life.......being unable to nurse and care for the patients properly just got too much for her
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #12
I know the reality and u r right. My Dad is a nurse teacher and he is fully aware if the practical every day issues faced by nurses. Nurses do clean in the fullest sense of that word. I applaud the Herculean patience of nurses in the NHS but everyone has their limits.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Mar 2008 /  #13
The problem is this is driving a lot of nurses out of the profession.......which makes the problem even worse for those left behind and the patients they care for.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
29 Mar 2008 /  #14
It all stems from the Conservative Government in the eighties and the creation of the internal market within the NHS. The Labour government compounded this with the introduction of PFI ( private finance initiative ).

Essentially most hotel services are contracted out, depending on the strength of the contract depends how well your ward will get cleaned.

If the Labour government tells your hospital manager to prioritise other areas, such as waiting lists, instead of basic hygeine, then there are going to be problems.

To blame the cleaner who is getting paid basic wage, regardless of race creed or colour, is shortsighted to say the least.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Mar 2008 /  #15
It all stems from the Conservative Government in the eighties and the creation of the internal market within the NHS. The Labour government compounded this with the introduction of PFI ( private finance initiative ).

Exactly!!

And they have to keep going out to cheapest private tender as well.

I work in Government office, not the same as a hospital I know, but our purse strings are tied by the same Treasury....every year we have to go out to tender and take the cheapest.....we end up with a cowboy firm employing a minimum number of people to clean an entire office block in a minimum amount of time...the same thing is happening in hospitals....our cleaners went on strike recently, because of their intolerable work load

As long as Mrs Smith gets her hip replacement in under the target time, it doesn't matter that she has to sleep in a dirty ward and there aren't enough nurses to care for her properly..the hospital manager has already met another target by reducing the cleaning budget
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #16
Precisely, compulsory competitive tendering (CCT) and general management were unmitigated disasters, ultra right-wing. Portillo was a major proponent of these schemes as was primus inter pares, Maggie. Health care professionals were taken aback by how inept these measures were.

Targets became the name of the game without enough individual assessment of cases. Not to mention the horrific waiting lists
OP rafik 18 | 589  
29 Mar 2008 /  #17
Nurses dont clean hospitals

it is one of their duties.if they do it or not i don't know,it's up to them.i meant nurses and the cleaning staff a lot of whom,nowadays,are from the 3rd world countries.i went to my local(wiltshire) hospital recently and every single cleaning staff were from theses countries.nurses also assist with births ,give medicine to the patients and so on.

staff in the hospitals in these parts are gnarled old white birds

you are either joking or the last time you visited a hospital was 196..something,huh?
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
29 Mar 2008 /  #18
Rafik, even if I say so myself, my last post was quite eloquent, however, I have to say on this occassion you are talking out of your bum !
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #19
What book did u pull it from Szkotja2007? Just kidding, u r one of the 'voices of reason' on PF IMHO
LondonChick 31 | 1,134  
29 Mar 2008 /  #20
Nurses don't clean hospitals, exactly

But in a sense, they should. My mother-in-law was a ward sister for about 35 years (recently retired), and in that time she's seen a lot of chages. Back in the day, keeping the ward clean was her responsability. More recently, the task of keeping the ward clean had been taken away from her and outsourced to a third party company, and instead she was taking care of mountains of paperwork.... lots of performance measures and targets that the government can easily fudge....

One thing that does worry me is the staff uniforms - I see nurses travelling to work on the tube etc. and then going into the hospital. Surely that can't be a good thing.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #21
As I mentioned in another posting, they do clean in the fullest sense, in the way u r suggesting. They clean vomit, papers and all manner of other things. They clean wards, that's true, not the whole hospital
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
29 Mar 2008 /  #22
The NHS deadline for 'deep' cleaning in all hospitals is about to expire. I think I heard on Radio 4 today that something like 97% of all hospitals have met the deadline. Of course the are arguements that the whole thing was a publicity stunt which has diverted much needed funds from elsewhere in the NHS. Hmmm
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2008 /  #23
Cleaning deadline, that has a very funny ring to it. It conjurs up an image of people holding guns and making sure the cleaning gets done
LondonChick 31 | 1,134  
29 Mar 2008 /  #24
The NHS deadline for 'deep' cleaning in all hospitals is about to expire. I think I heard on Radio 4 today that something like 97% of all hospitals have met the deadline. Of course the are arguements that the whole thing was a publicity stunt which has diverted much needed funds from elsewhere in the NHS. Hmmm

Don't get me started on NHS deadlines and targets.... you do have to give the government a gold star for positive spin.
LondonChick 31 | 1,134  
29 Mar 2008 /  #26
Hhmmmm.... either him or Brian. Still undecided.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
29 Mar 2008 /  #27
Ooh. I just discovered that Lambeth is so called after the 'landing place for lambs', that is a harbour to or from which they were shipped.

Anyway

Has to be Boris for entertainment value if nothing more.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
29 Mar 2008 /  #28
Lets get something straight.Getting a an RGN to clean anything these days would be akin to the second comeing...... Nursing auxiliaries maybe,and my praise for them is endless. BTW rafik,being born in 75 kinda counts out my visiting a hospital in the 1960s........unless you count watching 10 minutes of The Royal once...
OP rafik 18 | 589  
30 Mar 2008 /  #29
ok lets get back to the point.
it is not important whether nurses clean or not hereplease don't obscure the real subject.you know what i'm talking about.most of the cleaning staff are from the above mentioned countries and their hygene standards is the reason for the problems in the uk hospitals.you can pump billions into the system but if someone doesn't use/change aprons,sleeves ect or dont wash hands after toilet nothing is going to change.these is a bit sensitive subject cuz it is easy to be branded a racist and all this sh.it but this is the truth.what else may be the problem?don't tell me it's global warming..
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
30 Mar 2008 /  #30
you know what i'm talking about

Rafik - you are a racist, your racism is blinding you to the obvious. What about hospitals where you have indigenous whites cleaning them - they are not any cleaner.

don't tell me it's global warming.

Which is caused by all the African tribesmen cooking on solid fuel I suppose ?

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