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UK HATRED TOWARDS POLES GROWING?


Robert A 1 | 102  
29 Jul 2009 /  #31
first off how was i meant to draw from that,

It's known as "reading between the lines".

no no you made the point 'here' about the 'manipulative and the ignorant' use the media

To qualify my earlier post for you.

so there was no need for that :)

Indeed there was. :)
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
29 Jul 2009 /  #32
"reading between the lines"

well as all i can see is text on my screen, not your face, the way you are talking to me and the body language etc etc sometimes its a little hard in just black and white. Anyway we should not have to read in between the lines if your post made your point fully

To qualify my earlier post for you.

well you obviously didn't do a good job with the first one.

Indeed there was. :)

don't get all high and mighty with me, its not worth it, i really don't care how brilliant you think you are
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Jul 2009 /  #33
How can UK citizens legitimately complain about the loss of securing key positions when it was a situation that the media had itself created? We have the rat race which involves going at an increased tempo to get a job and then keeping it. We were so smug that we'd hold down positions and put our stamp on our job specification sheet. Many lost out as the Poles were deemed to have better skills and quals than some Brits. That's the price you pay. In competition, there will always be winners and losers.
Robert A 1 | 102  
29 Jul 2009 /  #34
well you obviously didn't do a good job with the first one.

In your case, I deem my post to have been an abject failure. :D
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
29 Jul 2009 /  #35
well your a poor judge then :)

anyway i'm off for a while so we will have to continue the fun some other time
noski 1 | 27  
30 Jul 2009 /  #36
I think alot of it is total bollocks to be honest. Where I live the Polish are quite accepted in the local pubs / clubs /community etc. We have problems with the ******* and paki's but no

this is true
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
30 Jul 2009 /  #37
I think if Poles choose to integrate then most will respond favourably to them. Meeting foreigners should be sth to look forward to and not living like a snail or tortoise.
Matowy - | 295  
30 Jul 2009 /  #38
I have not witnessed any anti-Polish sentiment. The only thing that could vaguely be interpreted as anti-Polish would be what I've heard from some of my family members in the Police. They often complain of the Polish (youth) drinking too much and being generally disruptive. This is, of course, an incredibly dumb double-standard, since the British youth do exactly the same thing.

I don't see any problems with Poles integrating. Culturally, they're already pretty similar to us (compared to the Asians here). As long as they can speak English, I don't see why anybody would have a problem with them. Honestly, the fact that so many Poles come here and can learn English plus integrate in such a small time frame should really put all those self-segregating Pakistani's to shame. I've met a few old-ish Poles whose English ranged from crappy to fluent. Compare that to some of the oldest Asians who have been here for decades and still fail to speak English. You have to wonder what the **** they're doing here if they can't even manage something which they should have picked up automatically within a few months. Even the younger generations have strange accents, and ******** English skills.
espana 17 | 910  
30 Jul 2009 /  #39
You have to wonder what the **** they're doing here if they can't even manage something which they should have picked up automatically within a few months. Even the younger generations have strange accents, and ******** English skills.

nobody asked the British to colonise this countrys. now pay the price :)
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
30 Jul 2009 /  #40
Kind of ironic that Poles are now becoming the victims of racism, eh?

Not ironic at all; some 3 million Polish Catholics perished during WWII, now that's quite a bit of racism. Indeed, since about 1795 three countries (Germany, Russia and Austria) have been very racist against Poland. Additionally, minorities within Poland were also racist.

For example, one can rightfully claim that villages which were 100% Jewish (shtetls) and excluded Poles (who were sometimes called "cattle") were racist. The sword cuts both ways.

If anything Polish tolerance ranked high compared to other countries. Poles were not involved in the slave trade; Poles did not colonize parts of Africa or Asia, etc. Any honest assessment must include those things which so many ignore.
time means 5 | 1,309  
30 Jul 2009 /  #41
nobody asked the British to colonise this countrys

Something Spain never did :-))))

The murder used in the article was (i think) the wife killing the husband (both Poles) so how does that have any relevance, unless the women suddenly became a prod and joined the local flute band.
Harry  
30 Jul 2009 /  #42
Any honest assessment must include those things which so many ignore.

Why live in the present when you can live in the past, eh? Poland might have been tolerant in the past (although quite how the pogrom, that fine old Polish tradition, is tolerant I don't know) but this century a person whose skin is not white is more likely to be the victim of racist crime in Poland than in Germany, France, Austria or the UK. Strange how Poles make so much noise about them being the victims of racism but make so little noise about the other side of the coin.
espana 17 | 910  
30 Jul 2009 /  #43
Something Spain never did

yes we did ,our ex-colonies speak spanish very well :)
mvefa 5 | 591  
30 Jul 2009 /  #44
except philipines ;)
espana 17 | 910  
30 Jul 2009 /  #45
mvefa

we did ok there , the Philippines is one of two predominantly Roman Catholic countries in Asia :)
mvefa 5 | 591  
30 Jul 2009 /  #46
not sure if that is OK, catholicism is not the greatest religion...in fact is one of the worst in christianity :9 sorry dude but that's my opinion...
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
30 Jul 2009 /  #47
but this century a person whose skin is not white is more likely to be the victim of racist crime in Poland than in Germany, France, Austria or the UK.

you migh tbe right, but without backing it up with some statistics, you have no case but a claim.

Also, you have forgotten to mention the reasons for less racist attitudes in those Western countries. Perhaps forgot to mention that there migh tbe different forms of racism in Western countries, which are more covert.

Racism is a negative characteristic of any nationality, but I believe that every nationality has a history of it and racism is NOT exclusive to Polish people. It is inclusive to all nationalities/ethnic groups etc.

Also, comparing Western countries to new democracy in Poland is a lost battle in your agrument. Those 2 different political, social, ethnic, demografic societies cannot be compared.

I think that since you care so much about racism in Poland I would be interested to find out if you also have some suggestions how this can be changed, so Poland will benefit by being more open (that is of course if there are not) to other races.
espana 17 | 910  
30 Jul 2009 /  #48
not sure if that is OK, catholicism is not the greatest religion..

true. but my point is that they learned something.
what ex british -colonies in asia have learned something from the british?
nothing cricket and that it.
Harry  
30 Jul 2009 /  #49
you migh tbe right, but without backing it up with some statistics, you have no case but a claim.

Have a look at fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/attachments/ar07p2_en.pdf

In Germany there are 2,080,000+ non-whites and another 840,000 Germans of Turkish descent. That makes at least 2,920,000 non-whites. In 2005 (the last year for which data is available for both nations) there were 15,192 "politically motivated - right wing crimes" (a definition which includes things like giving the Heil Hitler salute or having a copy of Mein Kampf). That makes a total of one crime per 192 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Germany has a one in 192 chance of being the victim of racist crime.

In Poland we have 24,809 non-whites (if we make the over-estimation that all of the Other, English, French etc are non-white). In 2005 there were 172 'racist' crimes reported under different legal articles. That makes one racist crime for every 144 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Poland has a one in 144 chance of being the victim of racist crime. So they're more likely to be a victim of racist crime in Poland than in Germany.

For Austria the minority population is 123,417 Turkish nationals; 7,982 Arabs; 5,916 Persian; 4,938 Chinese, (plus various others but let's go with the ones we know are almost certainly not white). Which gives a total of 142,253 non-whites. Total number of complaints of racist/xenophobic crimes in 2005 was 406. That makes a total of one crime per 350 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Austria has a one in 350 chance of being the victim of racist crime. To put that another way, a non-white is more than twice as likely to be the victim of racist crime in Poland than in Austria.

Racism is a negative characteristic of any nationality, but I believe that every nationality has a history of it and racism is NOT exclusive to Polish people. It is inclusive to all nationalities/ethnic groups etc.

I've never claimed that it is exclusive to Polish people. But nice try with building a straw man to attack.

What I have stated and continue to state is that Poland has a problem with racism and that racism is far more widespread than in any country I have lived in (with the exception of Kuwait).

Also, comparing Western countries to new democracy in Poland is a lost battle in your agrument. Those 2 different political, social, ethnic, demografic societies cannot be compared.

Neither political, social, ethnic nor demographic factors excuse racism.

I think that since you care so much about racism in Poland I would be interested to find out if you also have some suggestions how this can be changed

That's the $64,000 dollar question. And not one which I have much of an answer to (although banning Radio Maryja would doubtless be a good starting point).
mvefa 5 | 591  
30 Jul 2009 /  #50
true. but my point is that they learned something.
what ex british -colonies in asia have learned something from the british?
nothing cricket and that it.

Yeah, but thats a good point right? i mean i would not like to go to asia, india or other ex-colonies and find the same as in britain, would be boring dont you think? if the whole world was the same...
Matowy - | 295  
30 Jul 2009 /  #51
what ex british -colonies in asia have learned something from the british?

Um...the most useful international language on the planet? Ring a bell?
mvefa 5 | 591  
30 Jul 2009 /  #52
ummm quechua?
espana 17 | 910  
30 Jul 2009 /  #53
Matowy Asians who have been here for decades and still fail to speak English

the most useful international language on the planet?

they didnt , if they dont speak english in your own country, how they are going to speak english in asia?
This it is not a problem, Why would you care what they were talking about anyway?
niejestemcapita 2 | 561  
30 Jul 2009 /  #54
what ex british -colonies in asia have learned something from the british?
nothing cricket and that it.

"What have the Romans ever done for us???"...:)
Ummm....the language, the legal systems, and.....cricket (a very civilised game)....:)
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
30 Jul 2009 /  #55
niejestemcapita

Yes the brits where a baston of peace and love. Was that before or after they butchered the natives, wherever they went?
niejestemcapita 2 | 561  
30 Jul 2009 /  #56
Was that before or after they butchered the natives, wherever they went?

after..:)
mvefa 5 | 591  
30 Jul 2009 /  #57
i think before! :P
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441  
30 Jul 2009 /  #58
I've never claimed that it is exclusive to Polish people.

I know you did not, but without the statistics I was allowed to speculate:).

But nice try with building a straw man to attack.

I was not trying to build anything here. Unlike many people here, I know that you are one of the more objective posters.

What I have stated and continue to state is that Poland has a problem with racism and that racism is far more widespread than in any country I have lived in (with the exception of Kuwait).

no wI see it in a perspective

Neither political, social, ethnic nor demographic factors excuse racism.

no, but it should not be disregarded. If low level of education is a reason for less tolerance, or lack of exposure could influence how other ethnicities are viewed then, I would disagree with you. I am not interested in excuses, but causes.

That's the $64,000 dollar question.

I agree.

although banning Radio Maryja would doubtless be a good starting point).

I wonder if Radio Maryja is a cause or effect of racism in Poland amongst other things.

Thanks for the link.
espana 17 | 910  
30 Jul 2009 /  #59
Ummm....the language, the legal systems, and.....cricket (a very civilised game)....:)

and more !!!

have a look
encyclopediadramatica.com/UK
niejestemcapita 2 | 561  
30 Jul 2009 /  #60
that's very interesting Espana..:)
Now shall we talk about the Conquistadores in Latin America?
Or Ceuta and Melilla?
The Spanish Caribbean?
Or is that somehow...different?

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