UK HATRED TOWARDS POLES GROWING?

It's known as "reading between the lines".


To qualify my earlier post for you.


Indeed there was. :)

well as all i can see is text on my screen, not your face, the way you are talking to me and the body language etc etc sometimes its a little hard in just black and white. Anyway we should not have to read in between the lines if your post made your point fully


well you obviously didn't do a good job with the first one.


don't get all high and mighty with me, its not worth it, i really don't care how brilliant you think you are

How can UK citizens legitimately complain about the loss of securing key positions when it was a situation that the media had itself created? We have the rat race which involves going at an increased tempo to get a job and then keeping it. We were so smug that we'd hold down positions and put our stamp on our job specification sheet. Many lost out as the Poles were deemed to have better skills and quals than some Brits. That's the price you pay. In competition, there will always be winners and losers.

In your case, I deem my post to have been an abject failure. :D

well your a poor judge then :)

anyway i'm off for a while so we will have to continue the fun some other time

this is true

I think if Poles choose to integrate then most will respond favourably to them. Meeting foreigners should be sth to look forward to and not living like a snail or tortoise.

I have not witnessed any anti-Polish sentiment. The only thing that could vaguely be interpreted as anti-Polish would be what I've heard from some of my family members in the Police. They often complain of the Polish (youth) drinking too much and being generally disruptive. This is, of course, an incredibly dumb double-standard, since the British youth do exactly the same thing.

I don't see any problems with Poles integrating. Culturally, they're already pretty similar to us (compared to the Asians here). As long as they can speak English, I don't see why anybody would have a problem with them. Honestly, the fact that so many Poles come here and can learn English plus integrate in such a small time frame should really put all those self-segregating Pakistani's to shame. I've met a few old-ish Poles whose English ranged from crappy to fluent. Compare that to some of the oldest Asians who have been here for decades and still fail to speak English. You have to wonder what the **** they're doing here if they can't even manage something which they should have picked up automatically within a few months. Even the younger generations have strange accents, and ******** English skills.

nobody asked the British to colonise this countrys. now pay the price :)

Not ironic at all; some 3 million Polish Catholics perished during WWII, now that's quite a bit of racism. Indeed, since about 1795 three countries (Germany, Russia and Austria) have been very racist against Poland. Additionally, minorities within Poland were also racist.

For example, one can rightfully claim that villages which were 100% Jewish (shtetls) and excluded Poles (who were sometimes called "cattle") were racist. The sword cuts both ways.

If anything Polish tolerance ranked high compared to other countries. Poles were not involved in the slave trade; Poles did not colonize parts of Africa or Asia, etc. Any honest assessment must include those things which so many ignore.

Something Spain never did :-))))

The murder used in the article was (i think) the wife killing the husband (both Poles) so how does that have any relevance, unless the women suddenly became a prod and joined the local flute band.

Why live in the present when you can live in the past, eh? Poland might have been tolerant in the past (although quite how the pogrom, that fine old Polish tradition, is tolerant I don't know) but this century a person whose skin is not white is more likely to be the victim of racist crime in Poland than in Germany, France, Austria or the UK. Strange how Poles make so much noise about them being the victims of racism but make so little noise about the other side of the coin.

yes we did ,our ex-colonies speak spanish very well :)

except philipines ;)

we did ok there , the Philippines is one of two predominantly Roman Catholic countries in Asia :)

not sure if that is OK, catholicism is not the greatest religion...in fact is one of the worst in christianity :9 sorry dude but that's my opinion...

you migh tbe right, but without backing it up with some statistics, you have no case but a claim.

Also, you have forgotten to mention the reasons for less racist attitudes in those Western countries. Perhaps forgot to mention that there migh tbe different forms of racism in Western countries, which are more covert.

Racism is a negative characteristic of any nationality, but I believe that every nationality has a history of it and racism is NOT exclusive to Polish people. It is inclusive to all nationalities/ethnic groups etc.

Also, comparing Western countries to new democracy in Poland is a lost battle in your agrument. Those 2 different political, social, ethnic, demografic societies cannot be compared.

I think that since you care so much about racism in Poland I would be interested to find out if you also have some suggestions how this can be changed, so Poland will benefit by being more open (that is of course if there are not) to other races.

true. but my point is that they learned something.
what ex british -colonies in asia have learned something from the british?
nothing cricket and that it.

Have a look at fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/attachments/ar07p2_en.pdf

In Germany there are 2,080,000+ non-whites and another 840,000 Germans of Turkish descent. That makes at least 2,920,000 non-whites. In 2005 (the last year for which data is available for both nations) there were 15,192 "politically motivated - right wing crimes" (a definition which includes things like giving the Heil Hitler salute or having a copy of Mein Kampf). That makes a total of one crime per 192 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Germany has a one in 192 chance of being the victim of racist crime.

In Poland we have 24,809 non-whites (if we make the over-estimation that all of the Other, English, French etc are non-white). In 2005 there were 172 'racist' crimes reported under different legal articles. That makes one racist crime for every 144 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Poland has a one in 144 chance of being the victim of racist crime. So they're more likely to be a victim of racist crime in Poland than in Germany.

For Austria the minority population is 123,417 Turkish nationals; 7,982 Arabs; 5,916 Persian; 4,938 Chinese, (plus various others but let's go with the ones we know are almost certainly not white). Which gives a total of 142,253 non-whites. Total number of complaints of racist/xenophobic crimes in 2005 was 406. That makes a total of one crime per 350 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Austria has a one in 350 chance of being the victim of racist crime. To put that another way, a non-white is more than twice as likely to be the victim of racist crime in Poland than in Austria.


I've never claimed that it is exclusive to Polish people. But nice try with building a straw man to attack.

What I have stated and continue to state is that Poland has a problem with racism and that racism is far more widespread than in any country I have lived in (with the exception of Kuwait).


Neither political, social, ethnic nor demographic factors excuse racism.


That's the $64,000 dollar question. And not one which I have much of an answer to (although banning Radio Maryja would doubtless be a good starting point).

Yeah, but thats a good point right? i mean i would not like to go to asia, india or other ex-colonies and find the same as in britain, would be boring dont you think? if the whole world was the same...

Um...the most useful international language on the planet? Ring a bell?

ummm quechua?

they didnt , if they dont speak english in your own country, how they are going to speak english in asia?
This it is not a problem, Why would you care what they were talking about anyway?

"What have the Romans ever done for us???"...:)
Ummm....the language, the legal systems, and.....cricket (a very civilised game)....:)

niejestemcapita

Yes the brits where a baston of peace and love. Was that before or after they butchered the natives, wherever they went?

after..:)

i think before! :P

I know you did not, but without the statistics I was allowed to speculate:).


I was not trying to build anything here. Unlike many people here, I know that you are one of the more objective posters.


no wI see it in a perspective


no, but it should not be disregarded. If low level of education is a reason for less tolerance, or lack of exposure could influence how other ethnicities are viewed then, I would disagree with you. I am not interested in excuses, but causes.


I agree.


I wonder if Radio Maryja is a cause or effect of racism in Poland amongst other things.

Thanks for the link.

and more !!!

have a look
encyclopediadramatica.com/UK

that's very interesting Espana..:)
Now shall we talk about the Conquistadores in Latin America?
Or Ceuta and Melilla?
The Spanish Caribbean?
Or is that somehow...different?