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Gang attack Polish man with knife


Filios1  8 | 1336  
16 Mar 2008 /  #31
Like no Pole ever gets into a fight,or gets drunk and makes a t it of themselves......not fallen in a river and drowned yet G? Shame,u really are a waste of oxygen u pathetic little rascist homaphobe nimby t oss pot.

Wow, says the Scottish man who himself is a racist! How hypocritical of you.

Get better Polish man, and hopefully the racist scoundrels who did this get put behind bars. Always attacking in gangs eh! How brave of them!
szkotja2007  27 | 1497  
16 Mar 2008 /  #32
He's not dead.

its like chinky whispers,

OK, I know someone got horribly injured but, for some reason, I was reminded of this.....
Dead Chicken

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4372230.stm
osiol  55 | 3921  
16 Mar 2008 /  #33
Isn't a chicken 'foetus' a bit small?
I'll just have to go and check the eggs in the kitchen.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
16 Mar 2008 /  #34
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/5228848.stm, NI/Scots

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3857221.stm, Welsh/English

Look at the stats Greg, Brits attack Brits all the time. Where is the proof beyond reasonable doubt that they attacked him because he was Polish?
Filios1  8 | 1336  
16 Mar 2008 /  #35
Where is the proof beyond reasonable doubt

The proof is found in some of the British people themselves, and their attitudes towards Poles and other Eastern European immigrants. You have a perfect example of them in No-Immigration, right on PF here, and in other members who have come along the way, and who are now probably banned.

With prevailing attitudes like that, then I don't doubt at all that Poles would be targetted.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
16 Mar 2008 /  #36
Prevailing attitudes Fil1, I think not. U r a friendly member on PF so I'm gonna try and argue rationally, without emotion. Noimmigration has been slated by almost every Scottish member on this forum, his views don't broadly represent our sentiments at all.

Proof beyond reasonable doubt is high Fil1. There is no proof that it was a racially motivated attack although there is some level of probability that it was.

Let's not make this an international duel as it serves no purpose in my eyes.

Where's ur PROOF Fil1? That which would stand up in a court of law.
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
16 Mar 2008 /  #37
The proof is found in some of the British people themselves, and their attitudes towards Poles and other Eastern European immigrants. You have a perfect example of them in No-Immigration, right on PF here, and in other members who have come along the way, and who are now probably banned.
With prevailing attitudes like that, then I don't doubt at all that Poles would be targetted.

your talking about a minority of people mate, there is no way that the majority of people are 'fed up with poles' specifically, i think its rubbish and i think your trying to wind a few people up :)
PinkJewel  
16 Mar 2008 /  #38
The proof is found in some of the British people themselves,

Yes "some" as in a minority. However, because they are the negative views they are the ones being heard. By papers like the Daily Mail and by people who do not want to listen to anything else.

As usual, the people who are enjoying having Polish people around, who are learning about a different culture, learning an new language and making new friends, these are the people who are not heard...

Then again, some people hear or read one or two negative views and decide an entire nation thinks that way...sad...
Seanus  15 | 19666  
16 Mar 2008 /  #39
Most Brits just want any immigrant group to make the best contribution they can. I have to say that, in recent years, I haven't heard of that many attacks. There are so many dodgy areas in British cities, where many Poles live. I'd be looking over my shoulder in those areas. I've heard from many folks back home that they love the shops that the Poles have brought. Bigos and gołąbki are the kinds of foods that many Scots love.
Filios1  8 | 1336  
16 Mar 2008 /  #40
his views don't broadly represent our sentiments at all.

I know that, notice how I said "some." There is anger against Poles and immigrants, you can't deny that. There have been many such incidents already, and more to come, unfortunately. The Poles would do better for themselves by sitting tight at home in Poland, and trying to make the country a better place. Brits, Scots, and Irish have shown their true face lately. There is resentement towards the immigrants, this is plain to see.

your talking about a minority of people mate

Yes, its a minority. But who knows how long it will stay that way? Hopefully, Polands new job opportunities at home will begin to drag some of these people back where they can be safer from hostility.

because they are the negative views they are the ones being heard.

This is not the first time this has happened.
Like I say, minority it may be, but if people begin to be more and more fed up, with people like no-immigration leading the pack, then incidences like this will happen more and more.

As usual, the people who are enjoying having Polish people around, who are learning about a different culture, learning an new language and making new friends, these are the people who are not heard...

Then again, some people hear or read one or two negative views and decide an entire nation thinks that way...sad...

Yes, this is true. So why not start showing those stories more and more? What is the Western morbid ideology behind this, by showing murders and crimes against the immigrants, but not good stories? There is some underlying attitude, and sick fascination.
osiol  55 | 3921  
16 Mar 2008 /  #41
Brits, Scots, and Irish have shown their true face lately

So any hospitality was just a lie? This is the true face?

A few months ago on a trip to the 24-hour garage, some oiks tried to start on me and my flatmate. It was only after they had started to get aggressive that they found out that one of us wasn't English. "You're not even English!" has become a bit of a catchphrase in my flat since then. If we were both English, does anyone think they might have decided they didn't want to start a fight, or were they the kind of chav scum who would try to pick a fight with anyone?

Anyway, the police were already out looking for them. The police car pulled up just ahead of us and after some questioning, me and my flatmate were told to go whilst the chavs... No, I'm not sure what happened to them.

If the victim is Polish, is it always because they are Polish?
PinkJewel  
16 Mar 2008 /  #42
Brits, Scots, and Irish have shown their true face lately.

There you go, all lumped into one. One Scottish idiota posts on PF and all Scots think the same...yeah right.

no-immigration

Is one insignificant person. Don't dare base the thoughts of an entire nation on the hate he spouts here.

Yes, this is true. So why not start showing those stories more and more? What is the Western morbid ideology behind this, by showing murders and crimes against the immigrants, but not good stories? There is some underlying attitude, and sick fascination.

It's British media way. Death and violence comes before anything else.
osiol  55 | 3921  
16 Mar 2008 /  #43
It's British media way. Death and violence comes before anything else.

Although if someone puts wheels on their garden shed and fits an engine to it, waters the pansies on its window-box then takes it for a spin around their local shops or town centre, that sort of thing gets a look-in too.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
16 Mar 2008 /  #44
Brits, u mean English Fil1?
Filios1  8 | 1336  
16 Mar 2008 /  #45
One Scottish idiota posts on PF and all Scots think the same...yeah right.

No, my dear, there have been many, not just one on this forum. And I lived in England for a few years while studying, and got to know some of the prevalent mindsets. Some of the things I heard were sickening indeed...

Is one insignificant person. Don't dare base the thoughts of an entire nation on the hate he spouts here.

I'm not generalizing the entire nation here. I have never said "All Brits, or All Scots.." There has to be a problem there if there have been this many violent acts, isn't there?

Death and violence comes before anything else.

Yes, pessimistic news always first to start off your day the right way..

Brits, u mean English Fil1?

British... yes.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
16 Mar 2008 /  #46
Again, where is ur proof? There haven't been that many attacks overall. Poles live in dangerous areas where attacks are very common. ANYBODY can be attacked there
PinkJewel  
16 Mar 2008 /  #47
And I lived in England for a few years while studying, and got to know some of the prevalent mindsets. Some of the things I heard were sickening indeed...

Then you chose to mix with the wrong people.

No, my dear, there have been many, not just one on this forum.

So what else?

I'm not generalizing the entire nation here. I have never said "All Brits, or All Scots.."

But you wrote this:

Brits, Scots, and Irish have shown their true face lately.

So everything about that sentance tells me you mean all.

There has to be a problem there if there have been this many violent acts, isn't there?

There are horrendous acts every day between English people, Scottish people, Irish people all on each other. It's a sad fact of life, there are sick nasty people out there who will just live for violence.

If the victim is Polish, is it always because they are Polish?

It is rarely because they are Polish.

Although if someone puts wheels on their garden shed and fits an engine to it, waters the pansies on its window-box then takes it for a spin around their local shops or town centre, that sort of thing gets a look-in too.

Locally...there should be more of that kind of thing though... :)
Filios1  8 | 1336  
16 Mar 2008 /  #48
Then you chose to mix with the wrong people.

So what does this imply? There is some problem then, with these areas. Its the Poles fault now that they can only afford flats in these areas?

It's a sad fact of life, there are sick nasty people out there who will just live for violence.

... In some places more than others...
PinkJewel  
16 Mar 2008 /  #49
... In some places more than others...

All over the world. Sick people, sick violence. Don't pretend that it's only Poles that are attacked in the UK, infact, they are in the minority. It's mostly people from the UK who are victims of violence in the UK.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
16 Mar 2008 /  #50
There are problems in those areas Fil1, that's what I'm saying. If Poles come and live in those areas, they must face the consequences. I'm left-wing here tho, it's not their fault they are poor sometimes but the same can be said for poor Scots.
osiol  55 | 3921  
16 Mar 2008 /  #51
Poorer areas tend to be more densely populated, thus giving anyone who happens to be there more of the whole spectrum of humanity to witness or be subjected to. It's not just in the newspapers that the bad can be seen more clearly than the good. That is in the minds of people.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
17 Mar 2008 /  #52
Well said!! They sometimes steal or attack out of compulsion rather than anything else. Unfortunately, hatred knows no boundaries and we are all at risk
djf  18 | 166  
17 Mar 2008 /  #53
No one has been arrested for the attack. How do we know who did it? Maybe it wasnt a British person, could have equally been, Russians, Portuguese, Kurds, Iraqis or even other Poles.

Food for thought.....
Seanus  15 | 19666  
17 Mar 2008 /  #54
A 32-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the attack. This is from the article djf
Uncle Bob  2 | 82  
17 Mar 2008 /  #55
Polish knifeman jailed after stabbing

Brauer stabbed Mr Buckman ten times in the neck and back causing life threatening injuries

Obviously a racist attack (?)
Seanus  15 | 19666  
17 Mar 2008 /  #56
Obviously, ;), LOL
z_darius  14 | 3960  
17 Mar 2008 /  #57
Wow, says the Scottish man who himself is a racist! How hypocritical of you.

No, isthatu is right.
When I was a kid they didn't write an newspaper article every time a bunch of kids scratched themselves while shaving their juvenile facial hair.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
17 Mar 2008 /  #58
It furthers the antagonism that is going to get more and more people attacked, or even killed. We have seen this from history, IRA VS UDF, Israel Vs Hamas/Hezbollah etc (present), there is no need to inflame the situation anymore.

The flip side is that we should be grateful that more and more cases aren't being reported. Yes, it would convey a truer picture were they to be but lessening international hostility should be of greater concern
rafik  18 | 589  
17 Mar 2008 /  #59
bustard ate the swan..

i thought that bustards eat worms and seeds not swans
Kilkline  1 | 682  
17 Mar 2008 /  #60
Obviously a racist attack (?)

Everyone will ignore this.

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