peterweg 37 | 2,309 8 Mar 2007 / #31Getting a degree doesn't make you smart.My A-levels were way harder than my degree. Maths Physics Chemistry, I had to do 6hours homework every night and at weekends.Some subjects are a joke, arts subjects for instance. Reading a F***ing book, wow.
anielka 2 | 84 8 Mar 2007 / #32Hi, a relative sat exam for Medicine(in Poland)- missed out by 2 points, resat- missed out by 1 point.Took radiography instead(NOT the "dream")- I wonder if other countries are as strict in their standards?
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #33P.S. I've heard that in GB the're going to stop teaching about Sheakspear because it's too hard and complicated for students )))))))to all Brits, true or not?There are proposals to remove it as an item of compulsory study for the GCSE English literature exams which are typically taken at 16 here. As far as I remember the removal is onlya proposal at this time as the new curriculum is still being widely debated here. Actually I enjoyed Shakespeare even though I was maths/science inclined. Chaucer was more of a problem for me:)Hi, a relative sat exam for Medicine(in Poland)- missed out by 2 points, resat- missed out by 1 point.Took radiography instead(NOT the "dream")- I wonder if other countries are as strict in their standardsIn medicine the entry qualifications are very strict here. It is generally regarded as the hardest degree course to get into.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,506 8 Mar 2007 / #34my first experiences of teaching in central europe - czech rep and poland - back in the early 9Os and at undergrad level showed that both systems were riddled with corruption... at every level... is this still the case...?
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #35because some of them find it easier and they want to come back with english diploma believing it will be more appreciate than Polish one, so they prefer easier and betterI have heard this too. I am beginning to see closer parallels between German & Polish degrees (lenght, content, intensity). Am I right in this?
Huegel 1 | 296 8 Mar 2007 / #36Reading a F***ing book, wowAhh arts envy.One of those Engineers do it with a calculator types no doubt. :) Another form of HE is not necessarily evil just because you don't understand it and have no immunity to it. The most deadly germs known to man were always to be found on the Engineering corridor of my local college. It was like another planet. :)Remember Phobos:What I mean is: you will inevitably sound like a neighbour talking about a problem family in their hearing. If they hear you they may institute a program of seeded destruction. Very big comet trails, weird DNA drippings. Even now a Phobian (Benton Revenge) could be arising from that planet to challenge the known order.Don't say I didn't warn you.Or of course you could be the problem family. In which case I was never here
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #37Huegel, you have excelled yourself on this one. Soi much so that in addiiton to the honour of your own thread, I am proposing the inttroduction of a new word in the English LangaugeHuegelVerb: to respond to a comment or question in a witty, off beat manner that leaves the originator with a feeling of intellectual inferiority but with no clear understanding as to why and with a desire to compose a witty riposte that usually falls flat.
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #39However, creating a thred for H may silghtly dininished his power he so carefully estblishedHmm. Good point. He already has the Bubba & Huegel chat thread. One more may dilute his impact to being merely hilarious.Welcome back by the way:)
miranda 8 Mar 2007 / #40Szarlotka,darn- you are quick!!!!!!!!!!!old habits die hard:) and I like your new name:)How can one stay away from such intellectual stimulation some of you people provide on the daily basis?
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #41How can one stay away from such intellectual stimulation some of you people provide on the daily basis?You obviously haven't read the rant disguised as a thread on Polonophobia:)Is it warming up over there yet?
sapphire 22 | 1,241 8 Mar 2007 / #42[quote=peterweg] Getting a degree doesn't make you smart.My A-levels were way harder than my degree.I agree that having a degree doesnt make you smart.. its merely a question of having the discipline to stick it for so long... in my experience some A'levels were harder (more intense). My BA was 4 years, with one year spent in Latin America (tough but someone had to do it).. dissertation was 10,000 words in Spanish.. Dont know much about the Polish university system, but its an interesting discussion.. (makes a nice change from tits and rampant Brit rage) Arts subjects are not a joke and theres nothing wrong with post grad if you have the time and money to spend.
krysia 23 | 3,058 8 Mar 2007 / #43Smartness depends on the person. I know people who have a degree and are really dumb about life and have no personality . I know others who didn't get a degree but know a lot about life and are kind to others. These people learned from life, they might not know all the math quotaions, but know how to survive.It all depends on the individual on how open he is towards new experiences and learnings in life.
miranda 8 Mar 2007 / #44Going back to the topic, I agree with Sahhire. I am a mature student myself and I know that since last Sep I learned quite a lot, I am also more aware and I am in arts(tons of reading from really interestign sources). As for the future employment - time will tell.I know that withdrawing arts from schools resulted in student's overall performance.I am still off topic here:( Darn
miranda 8 Mar 2007 / #46I guess this is a question of formal versus informal education Krysia. I absolutely agree with you.
sapphire 22 | 1,241 8 Mar 2007 / #47hence the saying.. that a person attended the university of life..
krysia 23 | 3,058 8 Mar 2007 / #48It really all depends on the person.Some self-made millionairs never finished high-school.
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #49Maybe it was me, but the main benefit from my university days was not becoming a wizard mathematician (well almost) but learning about people from all different walks of life . The social skills I developed were to me as important as understanding the need for the discipline of self study and the subject matter. In later years I had responsibility for running the graduates in my firm for the first four years of their IT and consulting careers. Some of the best were arts grads and some of the worst were from deeply technical backgrounds. The interpersonal and ‘soft’ skills were so important in that field. Darn, I’m beginning to sound like an HR person. Better stop here.
sapphire 22 | 1,241 8 Mar 2007 / #53I agree.. ive often wondered why some IT support people have terrible interpersonal skills when these are clearly so badly needed in such a job..
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #54On a slightly different but still related tack, how much does it cost to take say a first degree in Poland, the US and Canada and anyplace else that people would care to bring in. Since the UK stopped grants and substituted it with a Student Loans approach, I believe the average debt for graduates from their first degree is in the order of £25,000 (roughy $50k or 125,000PL). They start to pay back their debt when their income from employment exceeds a certain minimum threshold. Obviously some parents will subsidise their kids and hence they leave with no debts at all. I have no idea about costs in Poland or the other places these days but I can still recall with horror the costs of my Masters in the US !
anielka 2 | 84 8 Mar 2007 / #55how much does it cost to take say a first degree in Poland, the US and Canada and anyplace else that people would careMy idea was to bring the relative to us and do the Medicine in Australia. I contacted a couple of Uni's- given that they consider her a post grad eg finished radiography they sliced off 2 years, leaving 4 years.Pre requiste:an interview with the head of medical faculty via phone/computer.No exam.Problem:classified her as International student, cost- $155,000AU.An Aust. could do same @a third of above cost.Regards, Anielka.
khan 8 Mar 2007 / #56Hi there,I'm considering to go Poland with Erasmus Programme to "Wroclaw University of Technology" from Turkey.I've searched on internet and heard good about the university,but i think the best way is asking someone for an objective description. I have some questions and could you help me while i'm looking for answers. Here there are:Will English be competent to adapt the city and country?How many percent of Polish speak English as a foreign language?Is the school well-known in the country?And finally Are there anybody here from this university to give me detailed information personally?Thank You,Gökhan
peterweg 37 | 2,309 8 Mar 2007 / #57n a slightly different but still related tack, how much does it cost to take say a first degree in Poland, the US and Canada and anyplace else that people would care to bring in.Miles out. Average student debt was £14Keducation.guardian.co.uk/students/finance/story/0,,1845017,00.htmlDoesn't anybody know how to use Google anymore. I don't know.
OP szarlotka 8 | 2,205 8 Mar 2007 / #58I was quoting the total cost of the debt including compound interest based upon predicted RPI (to which the interst rate is linked) that I read in an NUS survey. Admittedly it was not based upon the student working for Goldman Sachs and therefore paying off the 9% per year in one fell swoop.
freelance_art 8 Mar 2007 / #59Maybe prose of great,controversial novelist M.Maslowska would b more understanable for students!
Annia 8 Mar 2007 / #60P.S. I've heard that in GB the're going to stop teaching about Sheakspear because it's too hard and complicated for studentsI havent heard about that and Shakspear is not difficult its far too interesting to be hard to learn.
