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anyone with CELTA?


mamaye 2 | 38  
4 Apr 2008 /  #1
I'm looking for anyone with CELTA, willing to move to Poland. Any chance for that?
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
4 Apr 2008 /  #2
Why only the CELTA?

Smaks of elitist snobery
OP mamaye 2 | 38  
4 Apr 2008 /  #3
well, I don't know the idea of it and if it's "elitist snobery" or not;)
that's required in the school. I was asked to post it somewhere to check the possibilities.
what are the similar certificates?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
4 Apr 2008 /  #4
CELTA is not necessary for teaching in Poland, I can vouch for that.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
4 Apr 2008 /  #5
The neasrest comparison is the Trinity Cert. TESOL. Whilst TEFL International actually issues more graduation certificates than Trinity, it is not quite as recognised as them in Europe and has a much stronger presence in Asia.

If you want someone fully cert qualified then most 4 week 120 hr + 6 hr TP should be fine.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
4 Apr 2008 /  #6
It isn't always a question of continent, it can often be as simple as individual school requirements
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
4 Apr 2008 /  #7
I havent come across many schools that would argue the content of CELTA to be so drastically different from TCL Cert TESOL that they would only consider the former. Even the BC, supposed paragon of TEFL, now recognises TCLs course as being on par with the CELTA and TI courses (by some clever relationship marketing) can claim BC recognition.

As TI started life as a TCL centre, and based their programme on the TCL course plus a few appropriate modifications, its difficult to argue that one is much different from the other.

My point about continents is one of recognition. As the courses are to all intent and purpose the same (taking into account obvious minor differences), it invariably boils down to whether a particular course is known or not. The OP has heard of the CELTA but not other courses which I imagine is why they have requested it.
OP mamaye 2 | 38  
4 Apr 2008 /  #8
sure it's not necessary for teaching in Poland, but - exactly - it's the school individual requirment. they say the Trinity TESOL is fine,too. but min 2 years experience (teaching English as a foreign language).

my question is however if there is any chance for that...to find someone with such qualifications willing to work here... hm?:)
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
4 Apr 2008 /  #9
they say the Trinity TESOL is fine,too. but min 2 years experience (teaching English as a foreign language).

Is the 2 years experience only for holders of Trinity or does this also apply to the CELTA?

to find someone with such qualifications willing to work here...

Its entirely possible but it is also an idea to use sites specifically for recruiting teachers. It might also be an idea to mention if the job requires an immediate start or if its for next academic year
Guest  
4 Apr 2008 /  #10
Hello,
I have a TEFL and experience teaching!!!!!Where is the school. Please email me details barms90@hotmail.
Thanks
OP mamaye 2 | 38  
4 Apr 2008 /  #11
2 years experience applies for everyone.
thanks for suggestions and comments, I agree that I need to be more specific about when it starts and all other conditions and to use proffesional sites. however the subject came up yesterday and I just thought about this forum to ask for opinion which is valuable;))
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
4 Apr 2008 /  #12
to find someone with such qualifications willing to work here...

I have a TEFL and experience teaching!!!!!Where is the school. Please email me details barms90@hotmail

Isnt PF great :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
4 Apr 2008 /  #13
CELTA is like an extra guarantee that a teacher is committed to teaching, at least for some time. It cost me 950 pounds for a month, not cheap. It can work in ur favour tho.
RockyMason 19 | 250  
4 Apr 2008 /  #14
Dude since doctors are low paid in poland how much does a teacher make?
scottie1113 7 | 898  
5 Apr 2008 /  #15
I have a CELTA and teach at Bell in Gdansk. Teachers make anywhere from 2400-5000+ zl a month depending on the school, whether you have a contract or not, how many hours you teach, whether you have private lessons or not, what city you're in, etc. Lots of variables here. Although you can teach in Poland without a CELTA, many schools require it. You might want to check out eslcafe, essayforum.com and tefl.
hairball 20 | 313  
5 Apr 2008 /  #16
Dude since doctors are low paid in poland how much does a teacher make?

Private doctors are quite well paid in Poland. But private English teachers can earn more than public doctors.
Michal - | 1,865  
5 Apr 2008 /  #17
It cost me 950 pounds for a month, not cheap. It can work in ur favour tho.

Guildford College offer the TESOL from Trinity for £550, two evenings per week over one year of part time study.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Apr 2008 /  #18
Private doctors are quite well paid in Poland.

Private Doctors do very well but I think the bulk of money made by Doctors within the national health sector is made up of bribes all those 100 zl's slipped into their pockets.
scottie1113 7 | 898  
5 Apr 2008 /  #19
I'm looking for anyone with CELTA, willing to move to Poland. Any chance for that?

What city, what school, what salary? More details would be helpful. I know several teachers already in Poland who might be interested.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Apr 2008 /  #20
I did my CELTA in Edinburgh, instantly more expensive. Basil Paterson College has a good name so I guess u pay for the name. I was just happy to spend a month in Edinburgh. The CELTA was gruelling as the tutors were quite critical, but often in a constructive way. Berenice Hunter is DELTA qualified and Jill is MSc qualified and have taught in many countries.

U can work for 2 schools if u balance ur commitments, I do this. I also teach CPE privately.
Kashubian - | 9  
6 Apr 2008 /  #21
I have Delta, but wasn't needed in Poland, apart from Schools like Bell who pay peanuts.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Apr 2008 /  #22
DELTA is really for aspiring trainers. I was a trainer here with a CELTA but it was surplus to requirements. My co-trainer has neither a degree (nor a high school diploma), nor a CELTA, and he got that position based on performance.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
6 Apr 2008 /  #23
DELTA is really for aspiring trainers.

DELTA is only really a money earner for Cambridge, certain language schools who run (often substandard) courses and long term TEFLers who can't face going back to the UK. However, it is useful as a potential ticket back to the UK for people who are prepared to work in FE / HE
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Apr 2008 /  #24
It's all quite elitist when u get to that level, the kind of people u don't want to be around have it usually, no offence to present company. I've known great teachers without any certification and horrible ones with it. Letters are often just a short-lived ego boost. So much work for so little reward
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
6 Apr 2008 /  #25
I've known great teachers without any certification and horrible ones with it.

True. The only thing a qualification really tells you about a teacher is how committed they are to the job; A foreigner who is willing to fork out a few hundred quid on what is effectively a one month guide to operating a tape recorder is a better bet to a potential employer than one who jumps into teaching tot try it out but then might find a better job a month later.

Generally speaking, the worst EFL teachers I've met are ones with Polish MAs in Pedagogy. Most are truely dreadful...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Apr 2008 /  #26
I agree with that, it shows commitment as I've said b4. CELTA can be done by non-natives which is also a bit controversial in a sense. When I watched the French and Austrian teachers teach, I could hear many mistakes which could be problematic. What if they entered a school which required them to teach 'a' and 'the'?
Harry  
6 Apr 2008 /  #27
Generally speaking, the worst EFL teachers I've met are ones with Polish MAs in Pedagogy. Most are truely dreadful...

God yes! Go to an IATEFL conference and see all the middle-aged Polish women who teach English and try to talk to them: you won't be able to understand a word they say.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
6 Apr 2008 /  #28
CELTA can be done by non-natives which is also a bit controversial in a sense. When I watched the French and Austrian teachers teach, I could hear many mistakes which could be problematic. What if they entered a school which required them to teach 'a' and 'the'?

Well, I suppose it could be argued that the main aim of the CELTA is to familiarise a complete beginner with the principles of planning lessons / entertaining children rather than being a language assessment per se but yes, you do wonder what exactly your role in the classroom is when being a competent user of the language isn't really important...

Go to an IATEFL conference and see all the middle-aged Polish women who teach English and try to talk to them

I try not to {shudders] but to be fair to them they are usually the victims of pretty bad teaching courses from possibly 30 years ago. Things have possibly moved on a little since they got their qualifications but they usually haven't continued their training since they graduated - apart from sitting at the back of a sweaty IATEFL lecture theatre once a year, waiting for the handouts at the end. IATEFL's just a marketing exercise for the publishes anyway...
Harry  
6 Apr 2008 /  #29
IATEFL's just a marketing exercise for the publishes anyway...

Based on what I saw at the last IATEFL conference I will ever attend, the things are also an opportunity for the 'stars' of the TEFL world to get drunk and shag impressionable young teachers.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
6 Apr 2008 /  #30
the things are also an opportunity for the 'stars' of the TEFL world to get drunk and shag impressionable young teachers.

And not just the young! In Torun the other year I got to the end of one particularly boring session with a rather famous author, got up to leave but had to wait until the crowd, yes crowd, of middle aged groupies had got their complimentary coursebooks signed. I shudder to think of any 'apres conference' antics that went on with that lot.

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