Walesa excluded from Polish national gala

No, they don't Crow. Wałęsa may have gotten embroiled in some shady stuff but that was the way of those times. It was very hard to resist certain temptations and even threats, many succumbed.

People just like to point fingers and criticise. They don't know the full story half the time.

Sheep, If you improve your Polish, one day you will realize what I am talking about. This idiot can't put together a few words to make some sense. In his native language. It doesn't really matter If he was a traitor (personally I would be surprised If he wasn't) in commie times... He made It real for "ex" commies to come back to power and ruin this country, that's enough for me. Dude is a peace of stinking sh*t.

Seanus, there is plenty of evidence on him already. If he had sense enough, he would confess and be done with it:

What about the pensions he refused to take away for ex-communists, SB and ubeki? Its disgusting that these people were getting larger pensions than most, honest hardworking Poles up to a few years ago

What about the bodyguards he hired after he became president? Most of them were former communist agents, some of whom he probably met while being jailed by them

Code name Bolek? What is all that about?

It is obvious today, that Walesa sold his soul to get power.

my Net friends, please i need one information. i`m realy curious...

What is Walesa`s position on Kosovo recognition by official Poland? Is there anything about it in Polish media (on Polish and on English)?

Here is an older article on Kosovo:

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_19990415/ai_n10127616

On recognition:

Warnings that the recognition of Kosovo will serve to the detriment of Georgia were heard in Poland as early as February this year.

Bearing in mind the risks for Poland's allies in the Caucasus, Georgia above all, Warsaw's recognition of the Kosovo Albanians' secession was described as an irresponsible move by the legendary anti-communist leader and former Polish president, Lech Walesa.

"Recognizing Kosovo will bring nothing but trouble. No one can be denied the right to self-determination, but only within the bounds of common sense," he was quoted as saying at the time.

Walesa stressed in his statements to the Polish media that Kosovo was "with its irresponsible behavior, causing new divisions in Europe and globally and undermining international relations".

For quite a while now, I have been reading up on Walesa, and listening to his latest comments. The more I listen, and watch, the more I realize that this guy is very, very simple minded. Almost like a child, to tell you the truth.

He might well have been honest, and is honest to this day, but the communists saw his rather simple mindedness as a tool of transition. They saw that they could continue to manipulate this fool, during Solidarnosc movement, and after he became president (which many 'former' communists supported during elections)

This also explains why men like Andrzej Gwiazda also of the Solidarnosc party, more well-spoken and intelligent man, who communists could have been afraid of, was never supported to run for election.

Poland's own mistake is that their transition to democracy was far too slow, with 'controlled revolution.' Communists had good time to settle into new positions in government, instead of being ousted quickly like in the Czech Republic, with more dramatic revolution.

Greg, my Polish is good enough to understand. Crow, I'm not aware of Wałęsa having spoken on Kosovo. Dig deep enough and you may find out.

It seems a great number of Poles do regard him as a moron. The man can barely speak coherently in his own native language, some of the quotes attributed to him defy belief and in most countries he would be genuinely considered 'retarded'


Ive been reading a lot about this guy recently, and what you write makes perfect sense


and a lot of money

Actually Gwiazda has not more sense than Walesa.


I completely disagree. Transition was too fast, communists (in fact opportunists) should run this state at least several years more and during this time introduce liberal reforms that could be hardly reversed when democracy appears. They of course take care about their own interest but left the state in mess with senseless president and truly socialist political elites. It was a disaster.