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OP Salomon  2 | 436  
16 May 2009 /  #61
The problem with Russia is that ... this country is concious of differences between estern and western europe and has knowledge about advantages of east ... what means that they know that they can't accept western rules if they want to win. They can always join borg world (I support this idea) but I am not so sure about borg society future in western europe ... anny way. western europeans and eastern europeans have their advantages ... and of course weak points ... and I don't think that Russia is going to accept situation where her strong points are going to be forbiden ... and where west promots its strong points as civilizated consesus.... as it is now.
Crow  154 | 9544  
16 May 2009 /  #62
very interesting comment. Thank you
Sasha  2 | 1083  
21 May 2009 /  #63
Write about your impressions, if I only knew about this interview at time I would ask him few difficult questions about his own views.

What would you ask him, lesser?

I've recently listed to it and here are my impressions...
For one thing his reasoning was pretty similar to what I'd heard on Russian radios which is good for a politician. I liked the way he pictured the very first steps towards democracy in Russia and people's matter for that and separated so-called "Die Putinjugend" from a sober youth and people in general. However throughout the interview I couldn't shake off the feeling he was just promoting himself not to fall into complete oblivion and once having a chance to implement his ideas - would merely pass the buck. Also it was nice how he had his nose rubbed in that he'd collaborated with nazbols who are essentially bunch of bigots.

Sean, how can you like Kasparow and Putin at the same time? :))
lesser  4 | 1311  
22 May 2009 /  #64
What would you ask him, lesser?

1. What kind of democracy do you preaching, the EU style authoritative nanny state or Swiss direct model? Or maybe something else?

2. What kind of economic policy do you prefer? Moderate European socialism or rather classical liberalism?

3. I don't know wherever you are member of ROC (here I would except that he admit his religious sympathies or lack of it) but I would like to know you opinion about role of ROC in today's and tomorrow's Russia.

4. Do you think that Russia should sign Kyoto Protocol or some similar document in the future?

5. What do you think about privatization in Russia? Both in the past and in the future.

That would give me some clue about his stances. Whole this interview was rather boring, standard pro-democratic crusade without any details.

Also it was nice how he had his nose rubbed in that he'd collaborated with nazbols who are essentially bunch of bigots.

This is funny how ourmedia outlets used to put Limonov as a some kind of authority and quote his comments about Putin. They described him as a great Russian writer and did not mention about his activity in National Bolshevik movement. Priceless! :)

Here you have a link to article when author criticize such practice and quote such pathetic article. Good Bolshevik in service of Russophobia.
prawica.net/node/15251
Sasha  2 | 1083  
22 May 2009 /  #65
Whole this interview was rather boring, standard pro-democratic crusade without any details.

An exhaustive description.

Thanks for the article, lesser. It's very understandable (90-95%... usually I get less in Polish:) ).

Podczas manifestacji opozycji pod pomnikiem Majakowskiego milicjanci brutalnie pobili znanego w Polsce pisarza, jednego z liderów ruchu “Inna Rosja” Eduarda Limonowa

Lesser, I suggest you reading at leasure some of his "pearls" like "To ja, Edichka" to better understand his freak nature. :) Is he really well-known writer?

Jednak dla mediów w Polsce jest to tylko „znany pisarz” i „opozycjonista”. Jeśli w tej sprawie idzie się na takie szwindle, to widać jak na dłoni, że rusofobia granic nie zna.

*Thumbs up*!
Btw, Mr. Dugin - today's most famous ideologist of the current regime and putin's crawler is Limonov's (edit)co-partyer and moreover he's considered the founder of Nazbol party.
lesser  4 | 1311  
22 May 2009 /  #66
Lesser, I suggest you reading at leasure some of his "pearls" like "To ja, Edichka" to better understand his freak nature. :) Is he really well-known writer?

No thanks! :) I have little idea, this is not subject of my interest. However I doubt, media often promote some strange people and try to show them in the best light.

W tej „informacji” zabrakło jednego, ale za to bardzo istotnego faktu – że Limonow stoi na czele Partii Narodowo-Bolszewickiej, która wprost nawiązuje ideologicznie do zbrodniczej ideologii bolszewizmu i nazizmu (portal Onet.pl woli użyć kuriozalnego eufemizmu, że Limonow „bierze aktywny udział w życiu politycznym”!).

Do you understand this part? the best of the best of our media.
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2138  
25 May 2009 /  #67
Well... I hope you understand that acceptance of putin's ideas for me is out of question.

I have changed my opinion about you! You are to be respected by me!
McCoy  27 | 1268  
25 May 2009 /  #68
Sean, how can you like Kasparow and Putin at the same time? :))

oh, thats something what only seanus can do.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
25 May 2009 /  #69
I like Putin's interview technique, that's what I have said all along. He is straight up and well prepared.

As for personality, I prefer Kasparov. He speaks against injustice and looks to further human logic and endeavour through chess and mathematics.

Kasparov is doing a great job in using his persona and intellect not to bring about change as such but to raise awareness and give an insiders' perspective.
Sasha  2 | 1083  
27 May 2009 /  #70
W tej „informacji” zabrakło jednego, ale za to bardzo istotnego faktu – że Limonow stoi na czele Partii Narodowo-Bolszewickiej, która wprost nawiązuje ideologicznie do zbrodniczej ideologii bolszewizmu i nazizmu (portal Onet.pl woli użyć kuriozalnego eufemizmu, że Limonow „bierze aktywny udział w życiu politycznym”!).

I guess it's "one but important fact is forgotten in that information - Limonow heads the PNB, which are just up to the ideologies of bolshevism and nazism..." I'm not sure what is further in brackets though. Perhaps it's about perverted euphemism from Onet.pl portal of that Limonov is an active part (member) in political life. *shrug*

I think I got the general idea. :)

I have changed my opinion about you! You are to be respected by me!

Good, bud! No reason to be hostile towards each other. ;)
lesser  4 | 1311  
27 May 2009 /  #71
euphemism from Onet.pl portal of that Limonov is an active part (member) in political life. *shrug*

Good job, one must be really a person of bad will to use such euphemism. Onet.pl is the biggest internet portal in Poland, although rather for sure it was not a headline story.
Rafal_1981  
27 May 2009 /  #72
Thx for the link
Crow  154 | 9544  
28 May 2009 /  #73
Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations

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pawian  221 | 25821  
7 Jun 2009 /  #74
we should support democratic changes on Ukraine with every penny we have since we have all the same mutual interests and no colliding ones.

Your reasoning is very correct and I fully agree with it.
Trevek  25 | 1699  
7 Jun 2009 /  #75
According to this article, the Russians seem to be enforcing their own idea of history. Although the article mentions eastern europe, it could easily apply to Poland. The mention of

The new law could also be used to bar Western historians who accuse the Red Army of carrying out atrocities during its advance on Berlin or point out that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were once allies under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

could prove problematic for Katyn research.

It is laughable to compare this law with the German holocaust denial law. The German law is an acceptance of responsibility. This law sounds like a denial of responsibility.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5350777/Russia-threatens-to-bar-Europeans-who-deny-Red-Army-liberated-them.html

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