What if Russia decide to liberate Scottland from England? Polish position

They most certainly did not surrender at that point. If that was the case then why did the Gurkhas ever land on the Falklands? The Argentinians battled on.

Read this - naval-history.net/F59william.htm
for a small example.

He's told me story after story about his time he served in the LI. He says "officers" are NOTHING and that he cannot stand them. Why is that might I ask? Do officers engage in battle? At the same time he has nothing but respect for British combat troops.

and im guessing your dad is still alive.....why is that?

Again...do you have an original thought?

And one more thing, who trained your dad? a private?

lol, the Argies couldn't handle our regular boys, when the SAS came on board they p*ssed themselves at night about 'men in black' god knows what they thought of the Gurka's, lol :)

In fact i would go as far to say the Argies were a sack of Sh*t army who couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery, they couldn't find an enemy position if you marked it clearly on a map :)

To be honest Torny, they were organised quite well, talk to any vet of that war, and they will tell you it wasn't an easy fight.

The Argies had one problem, Naval war, once there supply was cut of, it made it impossible to continue. It's the main reason why Britain used mostly navy forces.

My dad is alive. He served in the LI in the 70s until the early 90s, mostly in Northern Ireland. Can I ask you why he may have a dislike of officers?

Nothing but respect for combat troops but as for the officers... "they're nothing."

His words not mine. Must be a good enough reason as he is very patriotic.

Royal Ghurka Rifles advancing. The reputation of the Ghurkas was a fearsome one. When the Argentines heard the Ghurkas were coming, they fled right into the hands of the Royal Marines.

i'm sure you know that a lot of the Argie soldiers were conscripts, they didn't even want to fight, there are many documented reports of hundreds of Argie soldiers surrendering to just two teams of SAS soldiers!!!! Thats 16 SAS against a few hundered Argies!!!!.

They may have been difficult to fight but thats when they were actually willing to do so, you are right in the fact that their vet officers and soldiers were good fighters and wouldn't surrender and would rather die.


agree totally here


hay mate, not all officers are 'nothing', these are often the guys on the ground in real 'war' situations who have to make quick, accurate sound decisions which may cost the lives of some of the men under his command. I'm not for the pen pushers, sure, however i've got a lot of respect for those officers on the ground.

They were indeed. If they weren't then the war wouldn't have lasted a week.

Actually they had a few advantages over us, they knew the territory, they made the first attacking move taking us by surprise. We had to react while on their part all they ahd to do was start their attack and carry out plans already thought up in advance

Did your dad ever serve in combat?

Still, you didnt answer my uestion, who trained your father?

We're not talking about commanders and colonels mate. I don't think officers engage in battle. The officers stay at home in nice and cosy Britain. I'm asking dtaylor if that is correct but he doesn't seem to answer...

Well, your not talking about commanders of course.....but did these people start as commanders...do you apply to the army as a commander?

He fought the IRA. He had been shot at, he had his mates killed during combat. He was afterall, in the Light Infantry 2nd batallion.... Do you attend the reunions at Shrewsbury annually?

I'm interested as to what an officer actually does.

it seems we all have something in common here, my father was also in the armed forces, First as a royal marine, he was trained as a royal marine in Lympstone Commando in Devon, He served in places such as Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq etc etc all the fun places!!!!

Later he became a member of the Special Forces (SAS) Haven't a clue where and by who he was trained, in fact i don't know much about anything of what he did, all i know is that he was based in Hereford for some time and went to Iraq during the first Gulf war. He also served again in Ireland and also in Africa (vage because i simpley don't know where, he won't tell me) and other continents. Came out when he was 40, didn't want a desk job and returned to civi life.

Combat operations....not peace keeping. again did your father serve in combat?

He fought the IRA. HE EXCHANGED FIRE WITH THE IRA TERRORISTS, HE WITNESSED HIS MATES BEING KILLED... He also beat some IRA sympathisers but shhhh :P His regiment was close to being sent to the Falklands war but it was over before any decision was made.

I ask for the thousandth time what officers do? I'm going to bed.

officer would naturally lead the squad, based on rank.

My god father was also killed by an IRA sniper. While the 1st RTR caried out peace keeping operations in Derry.


Now we get to the truth of it. Noimmi's gay feck buddy has arrived...hahaha

Now 1 more question...should soldiers wounded in battle be treated??

i tell you what, my father and George's can tell you about Combat in Ireland, they can also tell you about what its like picking bits of their mates up of the floor after a booby trap bombing!!!! Combat is anything that is considered a 'contact' with the enemy, an exchange of fire. Admitedly there is a difference between going to Ireland than going to Iraq, they are two totally different enemies but at the end of the day you are fighting both. One with a uniform and one without, although today in Iraq your fighting against a similar enemy as in Ireland back in the day

yup i agree. but again i am stating facts. Not having a go, but only stating facts. My mothers family are from N.Ireland, and my dad served as CO in Fermanagh, plus also worked with the SAS, funny really, but most of his story's from there are funny:)

My father never said anything was that funny in Ireland but he did say that some of the time spent in South Ameica was funny, i can only speculate that he means training the south american forces against drug running, drug manufacturing etc etc. It must have been like teaching school kids :) I also asked my father once about activities in Africa but he denied 'he' had ever been there but didn't comment on what British forces have done/are doing there.

One without British citizenship (Iraq)
One with British Citizenship (N.Ireland)


I'm sure he was well paid.
Question? Would that make him a mercenary as opposed to a volunteer?
Remember I am asking this question as the Grandson of a Regular soldier who fought through the entirety of the Great War and who's Sons, my Father and uncles never got to lay flowers at the Cenotaph. The same people your father designated worthy of beating!

good call Barney. I actually cannot believe that somebody would brag about such things.

Might have been Belize - beaches, scuba diving, sun..........


South West African Border Division ( Angola Headhunters ) - you will be lucky if you get anything on Google about them.

Both of my cousins were "officers" in the Royal Navy and both on active duty there! And ARS has got to the biggest tw*t on this plant for the crap he has come out with!

Such as? :)

As for "was he paid well?" In the 70s-90s the pay was very low. Nothing compared to what it is today. The IRA tortured captured British troops, one that made it on the news was the IRA chopping off testicles of British troops and then killed. Then you have the Irish hurling abuse at British troops, sympathising with IRA. I'd friggin kill them, let alone BEAT them. I don't know if you lot realise this but quite alot of British troops did this in Northern Ireland. It happened all the time. My dad told me one of his mates were having abuse hurled at him by an Irishman. The troops grabbed him and he broke his nose with the butt end of the rifle. NICE ONE! Great way to keep the adrenaline rushing! Put the fear factor into the British troops. It's not really much different to Iraq in that aspect.

Hmmm, I wonder why? Could that be because the Irish in Ireland didn't want British troups there? Funny old world isn't it!


It would really take to long to quote all the rubbish you have spouted...I don't have that much spare time today!

The Irish protestants WANTED our troops there. The Irish protestants WANT to be a part of the United Kingdom. The Irish catholics do not. Irish protestants form a majority in the North, whereas Catholics predominate in the south.


Yeah.. ok sure ;)

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I think he wants to put Gordon Brown out of a job