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Poles in Iraq. What's the point?


Ranj  21 | 947  
5 Nov 2007 /  #121
you seem to still be arguing that everything is A-O-K.. and it isn't.

Can you please show me where in this thread I have argued that everything is A-O-K?

Hmmmm, would probably be very difficult to do since I never made the arguement that everything is A-O-K. In fact, I believe I stated several times that the US has messed up.
plk123  8 | 4119  
5 Nov 2007 /  #122
wonder if anyone can find the pics showing how much this guy killed..

you're talking about rummy, right? ;)

Can you please show me where in this thread I have argued that everything is A-O-K?

not directly.. you do say there have been mistakes etc.. but you dismiss them like, well, not our problem. this goes back to the premise BW mentioned.
Ranj  21 | 947  
5 Nov 2007 /  #123
but you dismiss them like, well, not our problem

Again, show me where I dismiss the mistakes as not our problem.....I believe the argument I have made is that besides the bad things the US has done, we also have done good. Was not telling anybody to ignore the fact that the US has screwed up nor making light of that fact.

BW's premise is that America is ignorant of all things outside her borders, and that Americans believe everything our Government tells us as the gospel truth......I could not disagree more with that. That's his opinion and he's entitled to it and you are entitled to agree......I happen to disagree with you both which does not necessarily make me wrong, anymore than what you believe makes you wrong. As I stated before, there's your opinion, my opinion and then there's the truth......I happen to believe that truth lies somewhere in between the two.
BubbaWoo  33 | 3502  
5 Nov 2007 /  #124
BW's premise is that America is ignorant of all things outside her borders

it wasnt actually but never mind, ay
Ranj  21 | 947  
5 Nov 2007 /  #125
Well that's what I interpreted you to mean.....care to elaborate?
Ranj  21 | 947  
5 Nov 2007 /  #127
Well than shut your pie hole :D
BubbaWoo  33 | 3502  
5 Nov 2007 /  #128
i think you find you mean 'well then'

fukin americans - cant even speak proper like
Ranj  21 | 947  
5 Nov 2007 /  #129
'well then'

thanks for correcting my typo.....knew I could count on an Ole wise and proper englishman to do that.....he's always so eager to point out the fukin americans mistakes.
AvJoeUK  
6 Nov 2007 /  #130
seems you're the one brushing off.

ABUL, Afghanistan - Six years after the Taliban's ouster, medical care in Afghanistan has improved such that 89,000 children who would have died before age 5 in 2001 will survive this year, President Hamid Karzai said Sunday.

Saddled for years with one of the world's worst records on child health, Afghanistan has seen access to health care rise dramatically since the U.S.-led invasion.

Thousands of clinics have been built across the country, and the Afghan government and aid agencies have trained tens of thousands of doctors, vaccinators and health volunteers who now reach into some of the country's most remote areas.

Iraq

School Attendance is up 80%-Truth!
Again, according to an April, 2004 report from UNICEF, school attendance in Iraq increased by 60 percent shortly after the war to more than 95 percent during the recent national exam week.

More than 1,500 schools renovated-Truth!
UNICEF says that as of April, 2004, more than 2,500 schools have been renovated with the goal of 4,000 being completed by the end of the year, but 10,000 more need repair.

The Port of Uhm Qasar [sic] renovated so grain can be offloaded faster-Truth!
In a November, 2003 interview on National Public Radio, Andrew Natsios of the U.S. Agency for International Development said that the port at Umm Qasar, Iraq's largest, is modern and functioning for the first time in 20 years.

truthorfiction.com/rumors/r/rayreynolds.htm

Lets get this straight, I DONT agree with the war I thought it was a poor decision with disastrous consequences. However it HAS happened and any armchair general who protests it wasnt the right decision and that Americans and other Allied forces rape and kill everything they see isn't making a damn difference and frankly being plain ignorant, however Im broad viewed enough to see both sides of the Picture for good and for bad....and I can only HOPE that things will Improve and that we can see through the mess created.

Thankyou...
hunfriend  1 | 38  
7 Nov 2007 /  #131
There is a very good webpage about 911, Irak war, Zionism, history and so on.
erichufschmid.net

I think it has a big importance. Some artickles sould be translated into Polish, it is worth. After translating, and sending back to Eric Hufschmid, I'am sure he will put it to his webserver.
szkotja2007  27 | 1497  
16 Mar 2008 /  #132
Five years after the start of the war the anniversary is remembered in Glasgow -
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7297378.stm
Uncle Bob  2 | 82  
16 Mar 2008 /  #133
Why bother making Americans look stupid when they do such a good job of it themselves
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
16 Mar 2008 /  #134
I applaud this initiative by the brave Scottish people who are slowly but surely regaining their national awareness and consciousness. The illegal invasion of Iraq and the immoral recognition of Kosovo will prove to be the death nail in the coffin of the un-national creation of a country called Great Britain and signal the end of the reign of terror which destroyed the lives of millions by the corrupt Royal Palace.

May this generation of Scots be worthy of their once proud ancestors in reestablishing an INDEPENDENT STATE OF SCOTLAND.
szkotja2007  27 | 1497  
16 Mar 2008 /  #135
May this generation of Scots be worthy of their once proud ancestors in reestablishing an INDEPENDENT STATE OF SCOTLAND.

I hope so.

The Scottish National Party was opposed to the illegal war from the beginning.
Uncle Bob  2 | 82  
16 Mar 2008 /  #136
You make me laugh Crnogo - one sentence bemoaning the immoral recognition of Kosovo as an independent state, the next calling for an independent state of Scotland.

Youre too much young man
Wroclaw  44 | 5359  
16 Mar 2008 /  #137
Crnogorac

Interesting video. Would I care if any one of those guys took a bullet in the head ? No.
Uncle Bob  2 | 82  
16 Mar 2008 /  #138
It is only a small metaphorical step from not caring if they took a bullet in the head to actively wanting to do it. People on the forum complain about terrorists hiding amongst civilians but fail to understand that many of these so called terrorists are civilians who have taken that small metaphorical step.
szkotja2007  27 | 1497  
16 Mar 2008 /  #139
not caring if they took a bullet in the head to actively wanting to do it.

The guy that shot the shepherd ? Guess I would have to join a queue.
Uncle Bob  2 | 82  
16 Mar 2008 /  #140
I was personally thinking about the puppy thrower. Scum.
Wroclaw  44 | 5359  
16 Mar 2008 /  #141
It is only a small metaphorical step from not caring if they took a bullet in the head to actively wanting to do it.

You've been reading too many books. I have no wish to kill anyone. And I couldn't care less if those twats got shot dead. It's people like them who ruin the reputation of others, which leads to more anger from millitants and the deaths of other servicemen.

When I was in the military I never found the need to humiliate people. And are we to suppose that that dog was just wandering around in the mountains ? It obviously belonged to someone.
szkotja2007  27 | 1497  
16 Mar 2008 /  #142
other servicemen.

When I said there would be a queue, I was guessing that they woud be at the front of it :-)
Uncle Bob  2 | 82  
16 Mar 2008 /  #143
You've been reading too many books. I have no wish to kill anyone

Im not implying that you do Wroc, afterall, you have a comfortable family life many miles from any armed conflict.

If, on the other hand, you lived in a war zone, had to watch your wife and children being humiliated daily by an insulting and agressive occupying force then that metaphorical step might not seem such a leap.

As you say, its actions like these that lead to more anger from militants... or normal family men who just arent going to take it any more.

And my point is that potentially, its a very fine line that divides the two.
Wroclaw  44 | 5359  
16 Mar 2008 /  #144
And my point is that potentially, its a very fine line that divides the two.

Now I understand your point. And agree.
isthatu  3 | 1164  
17 Mar 2008 /  #145
Lets ask our American friends something. Mexico invades,imposes curfews,raids homes without warrents,drives tanks across your white picket fences and destroys small towns in airstrikes. Hands up all Americans who would fight back. Now tell me the insurgents arnt doing the same,and keep a straight face and no crossed fingers.

I hear there is a growing anti war movement in the states,just like Vietnam all over. Shame its just as hypocritical as the 60s version,less to do with Yankee agresion and civilian deaths and more to do with financial costs and loss of american lives,shamefull.

Oh, And Britain is just as culpable for the slaughter for arse licking bush. Funny,I had no idea I would be in a similar position to right minded germans in the 1930's,that of loving my country but being ashamed of the death and destruction being caused by its leaders and war makers.
Crow  154 | 9239  
17 Mar 2008 /  #146
yes. What's the point?

go back to Poland, Poles and defend western borders of Slavija
isthatu  3 | 1164  
17 Mar 2008 /  #147
What from? All that lovely EU money ? Muppet!
Crow  154 | 9239  
17 Mar 2008 /  #148
That???

You didn`t convince me. Slavdom is much more profitable
isthatu  3 | 1164  
18 Mar 2008 /  #149
Sure it is crow,sure it is.........see lots of slavic nations crowding the top 10 most economically succesfull naations dont you......
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
24 Apr 2008 /  #150
Iraqi sniper takes out successfully Americans in Iraq.

"Juba" they say, shoots only once and disappears.

Juba is a pseudonym which American soldiers say with fear and respect because it was assigned as a nickname to the "invisible" and "uncapturable" sniper who hunts American marines in south Baghdad. Even the experienced American "dogs of war" who have behind them campaigns in Somalia and Afghanistan began from the phantom Juba to create a legend, some sort of Iraqi Vasily Zajcev, whose killing accuracy became famous thanks to the movie Enemy at the Gates.

Against Juba's accuracy do not help helmets, neither expensive bullet proof vests or mass of gathered Hummers, because for him one bullet is enough, uncovered part of the body or a moment in which soldiers lurk outside of their vehicle, to mark another tick on the handle of his shotgun. On Juba's conscience are placed killings and woundings of around 50 American soldiers and maybe the most impressive trophy which is acknowledged to him is taking out a 4 member team of sniper specialists in Ramada in June, when all of them were killed with shots to the head. Film with horrific Juba's "handy work" you can watch at this link:

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