Poles in Iraq. What's the point?

there are no soldiers. only death. i know i was one of 23 personaly who were a product. give me peace it is in a little childs momentary innocent smiling glance in your direction or just an unexpected fart and a chuckle when things are quiet. but reverse these conditions while there and these can drive a man wild to wait and hope that the next thing he will not see is the little childs face before it is seen no more or the fart that is a gun shot. his brain can self destruct simply from waiting and not even seeing it happen but being told to look out for this!

Some masked "terrorists" shuld kidnap few Poles so polish gov can retreat soldiers from Iraq. thats how i support it.

i will totally agree, their lives have been put into danger for political reasons, a soldiers first duty is to protect queen and country(in britain anyway). not to fight for oil hungry politicians who commit war crimes. i support the soldiers all the way. but fighting terroists is not about invading countries. if regime change was all that this war was about, then i think with m.i.6 and the c.i.a, they could have taken him out.

their was a report in the papers that suddam said he would exile himself to saudi for 1billion dollars, though i dont like the idea of bribing that monster, ask yourself this, is all the life that has been lost in iraq worth less than that???

Is your support so strong that you would volunteer to be the first kidnap victim ?

US lost lots of lifes and much much more pesos than 1bill.


first i had to be in Iraq, but infortunately im not that stupid.

i think i will leave this one i have said enough about being a soldir the olny thing i train for is killing if not others then myself after i have seen what i have done and understood it to my very being of my heart.

What's been stabilized? It's a clusterf*ck over there.


I thought it was for the fantastic poutine :)

i dont thinks thats the answer. the only answer is to withdraw troops, and replace them with u.n forces. that way the world has a say. although you could argue that we caused this mess, we should clean it up. british forces are now withdrawing in large numbers from iraq....which sounds good...but our guys are just being redeployed into southern afganistan.which i do agree is where we should have been in the first place, its a pity on their country that the world has forgot them since iraq.


and that my point, it was a needless war in the first place

btw thats not true. it is still there.
and i heard that they changed it till you are 50 years old or so.

this will not take effect for 3 or more years im told. im not sure of the truth
the only way poles can get out off military service is by going to univercity, or not being medically fit for service.

it worked for Italy, Japan and others.

only because they were taking secondary roles, engineers and such what. but i agree with you, the time to get out is now. we have wasted too much money and life on this "war"

dream on, keeping foreign troops there won't lead to stability and it will get worse before it gets better


they already did nationalize it, and Uncle Sam invaded, with Brits (and Poles, and Spaniards, and..) in tow. Fter it was invaded the oil was privatized (looted) and Exxon and BP I believe took the biggest share, the Polish oil co. (ORLEN) got very little.


Most people dont support what they (our deluded greedy leaders) are doing but methinks most of us feel sorry for the poor wretches who (the troops) have to sit there and dodge bullets. I would rather all the remaining soldiers come home unharmed, but your local Congressman, Senator, MP or whatever doesnt want that to happen. At least not most of them. That whole I think you should just shut up and support our troops argument is moot, soldiers are like tools who dont have much of a choice as to what theyre used for, they take orders and end of story.

thats the whole plan, so they can stay there forever.

the greatest thanks and medals you can give a soldier is this. and please remember.
WE WILL NOT SEND YOU BACK!
Dzienki Boze!!
This may only be after they have experienced the war themselves but believe me unless you know. you dont know!.

the Polish troops that are there want to be there, they all volunteered because the money was good.

Quoting:randompal

the Polish troops that are there want to be there, they all volunteered because the money was good.

prawda!

Very true! oK!

sorry Zgubiony I have the epilepsy and do strange things and repeat myself.
and bear with me all.

your rite, if the job i sdone lets proceed, why are peoples lives at dabger both sides... what about the families of these soldiers that are on the firing line...

Quoting:adilski

your rite, if the job i sdone lets proceed, why are peoples lives at dabger both sides... what about the families of these soldiers that are on the firing line...

real pain is where the heart is and where you loved ones are.

In my opinion debate about Iraq is more about our relationships with USA, not about dead soldiers.

I feel that people dont see our business there, we have already spended 1 bln PLN on this war, and we dont have any profits. What is more this war is wrong (human rights, Iraq people opinion, oil) so most of people are against, and our politicians started to see it. There is one problem Kaczynski likes to be important ...

opinion pool about our mission in Afganistan Iraq ... red one is "I dont support our mission in ... " blue one is "I support ... "



and stats show that we were against Iraq just form begining, but our politicians wanted to go there and make photos with american president and feel that they are important. All in all Sarko and Merkel seams to do the same now (Iran)

Sounds familiar,just change kaczynski to blair.......

Two?

Not exactly large numbers, given that the war is 4 years old now. Suggesting that desertion is common is an insult to our (and the coalition's) soldiers, really. The war is a sad state of affairs, and even the most just war is always a tragedy, but taking out whatever frustration you might have on soldiers is unhelpful and inappropriate.

The Pentagon has "revised" the number of military desertions in 2006 upward to 3,196 active-duty soldiers -- 853 more than the Pentagon previously announced.

Thats active-duty soldiers, in one year. Now since the occupation has been ongoing since 2003 multiply that by at least four. I would say that was significant.

but USA doesnt seam to have an idea what to do to win this war, what is the most important our relationship (Poles opinion) isnt true friendship, F-16 off set, visas (USA now isnt tempting for lauborer), ban on Polish wepons in Iraq (you need alies , not competitors), modernisation of our army. People see it and thats why 81% of Poles wants our soldiers home.

You might want to link to your sources in the future, since Google is only giving me blogs as sources that agree wth those numbers. But, even according to those, the statistic involves both Iraq and Afghanistan. Second, there's a big difference between going AWOL and "running away" to Canada as refugees and defying orders to return, which is what I was responding to. That has only happened once or twice since the beginning of the war, though the media makes a high-profile case out of each. There's a significant difference between going AWOL and hiding in Canada and rejecting your former citizenship. Most of the cases of soldiers going AWOL that I've read about are due to symptoms of PTSD or stress, rather than as a political statement, like some past draftees tried to make by moving to Canada to avoid service. I'm guessing that half a million or more of our soldiers have been in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001 in any case, (counting all those who've gone and returned, not just the 200,000 or so we have deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan right now, including our NATO troops) so even given the accuracy of those numbers, I still wouldn't call desertion common.

My quote was from the NY Times, March 23rd 2007 - quoting the Pentagon.


Where did you get this quote from ?

If you are a dog of someone, if you are working for someone, if you accept everything for someone, when someone gonna need you, YOU CANT EVEN DISCUSS ABOUT IT,someone wanna see that you are doing this, someone will tell you do this, you will do this..So Poland though they gonna be safe with someone's help against Russia. Oh pardon they closed their eyes for see that, their country become state of someone's and they do nothing, become a puppet of someone's just turned head to other side..So how can you support that damn Iraq genocide !!! Peoples knows everything what TV,newspapers says, so if someone control the all that line, even they can let you accept Armenian genocide rumours too..So peoples dieing in Iraq everyday...And its just because of that damn someone !!! Poland pull off your hands on Iraq, cause u dont know what you are into..Goverment must watch the way of UK, and call back all of your supports there...Hope any Polish people not die there, or maybe goverment waiting for that to let them stay there as more as brother someone wants...

Great outlook, you think they'd let soldiers go? They would saw their heads off with a serrated Blade infront of a video camera....still support it?

There is no point in having American soldiers in Iraq & there is no point in having Polish soldiers there either.

Seems everyone who's never been to Iraq thinks they know what is happening there or why.
I will only say that the particular Polish troops that my outfit worked with over there were some of the most professional, crack troops I've seen, and I've had the opportunity to go on ops with several countries' best. They got LOADS of respect from all of us. I heard recently that Poland pulled these troops back, and it is a shame. It is nice to work with PROFESSIONALS. Furthermore, I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone is over there for the money. It's a job, and to be honest, it pays badly compared to the same skill levels demanded on the outside. There are those who do, and then those who do not, and wait for a chance to judge the failings and belittle the successes of the former. As for deserters, good riddance. In a force made up of millions, 3,000 some odd is not a large number. Likely the majority of those are very new, and thought they would be able to reap the benefits (like help towards higher education) without ever having to actually serve. These selfish people join, go for the benefits, but reneg when their country calls. Deserters, who betray their country before even serving a day at what supposedly they were trained for. All countries have these people, and to be honest, they have no place amongst those on the business end of that countries policies.