Women's average earnings as a percentage of men's. Poland's near top.

you are being being funny in your reasoning and haven't produced any economic explanation for why women make less, except for


It is a discrimination. That is the whole point.

Acctualy Lesser your view on female role in society is outdated. The fact is that females prefere cooperation and males prefere competition. Hi-tech, advertisment etc. companies are more about cooperation (small groups cooperating with each other) so females are strong. So in such industries there is more female leaders and managers.

and I wouldn't be surprised if in the future there will be 110% in this table.
Polish society is after transformaton and Poland isn't sexist country. I do believe that there is truth in this stats.

When we talk about British females drining alcohcol to prove that they are masculine it is result of this silent discrimination (glass ceiling). They earn much less than males in comparision to other european countries ... that is why they try to prove that they are like male.

very much so and he is probably an old school. If that is the case fair enough, but the new generation, probably his daughter would not tolerate it.


I would not agree with that because you are not a woman, so how can you really tell. I was renovating a flat in Poland and I was shopping alone for all kinds of products and I had to deal with a lot of sexist remarks as to whether I knew what I was doing from the clerks. It was quite funny.


I hope so, but they actually might be off. What is the source of this chart? I am sure there will be a glass ceiling effect once Poland starts developing corporate culture. Provided it will even happen in Poland. as for the UK, I am not sure why the drinking has been brought up since it is not exclusive to women.

No, they just like getting pissed for the same reasons men do. Same with shagging. Women seem to enjoy both things just like men.

so there is equality in the UK then;)

I was talking about work. Yes I am not female but I have seen article in NYT with comparison of situation in Germany and Poland. Authors pointed out that in Poland situation is much better (I am talkig about work)

This chart may be little off but still I believe in proportions. Source is reliable

eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/studies/tn0704029s/index.htm

I have never had a problem in Poland and when I compare it to Canada- it is much more sexist here.

That was my point.

I am not sexist.I give equal opportunities to every woman.

Let concentrate on workers without higher education. They consist the vast majority and they are the major factor which create Lukasz's table. What is the most typical job hold by a man? Something in building industry. Women cannot compete here duo to physical weakness. Here always some specific skills are needed thus people with experience are valued. Physical power and specific skills increase their wages.

What is the most popular among women? Saleswoman in different kind of shops. This job is not so physical, neither special skills are needed. Thus they most likely being offered a minimum wage.

A lazy man who decide to work as a unqualified safeguard in supermarket earn minimum wage for the same reason. This is not about sex.


I'm talking about some economic facts and not about women role in the society.

I also don't claim that in some areas monetary value of women work cannot be higher than average for men. In the job market they are only workers, their sex is not important in vast majority of cases. (exceptions? for example somebody searching for woman or male models) Unless interference of socialist regulations, this may change much for worse.

Where do you come from? Or to which part of Poland does it refer according to you?
I completelly disagree! Read newspapers (I mean decent ones), watch news or look around - the majority of woman work somewhere and some of them are on top managerial positions - both in a private sector and politics.

I would say that nowadays the minority of woman work at home (housewife).

i'm not fussy, i can be a housewife ;)) (as long as i have some shopping funds from the other half!)

I take that your objectives would be the following: cook dinner for a partner, tidy up the flat, go for a walk with a dog, food shopping... LOL :)

Personally, I would prefer SOMETHING more challenging :)
And funds from the other half? Hmmm... if you would like to be supported constantly and stay housewife for the whole life that would be called a sponsorship and not a partnership/relationship!

i meant shopping for clothes and perfumes, is that not okay? of course it's a relationship, and us women pay our own way ha ha. yeah i'll hire a maid and she'll do all the work whilst i'm out shopping and gossiping. perfect life! ha ha...

Like my current fiancée. We are geting married in january. She is architect.

Oh yeah, clothes! but clothes for your partner..... ooops, sorry, your sponsor! lol

good luck ;)

you do realise im not being serious dont you. i'd just get too bored if i didnt work, and in every relationship i had i paid for myself and never expected them to buy me stuff. i'm decent like that :).

Yes not I used: LOL or :) or ;) for nothing! oh well...

Yes lesser but in this statistics Poland is calculated with use of payment per hour. Teachers officially earn 33 zlotys per hour. Feminisation in this occupation is high.

Oh of course!
I would think that women in Poland almost equal to man! Communism inheritance!