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Women's average earnings as a percentage of men's. Poland's near top.


Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
26 Sep 2008 /  #1
Very interesting data when we talk about discrimination and equalness. Poland has 4th place in Europe.
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #2
While i was reading this i realised i havent beaten my woman today ...
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #3
equalnes

it is called pay equality Lukasz, sorry to have corrected you.

While i was reading this i realised i havent beaten my woman today ...

you realize you are not being funny.
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #4
you realize you are not being funny.

My hands are tired :(
Michal2 - | 78  
27 Sep 2008 /  #5
In Poland it has to be remembered that most women work in the home and of those working, some may be in private business. The working mentality in Poland is totally different to that of England and so therefore any statistical comparison is basically meaningless.
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #6
The working mentality in Poland is totally different to that of England

how so?
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #7
Women in UK are far more emancipated ( and far less feminine as a result ).
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #8
Women in UK are far more emancipated

how so? The reason I ask is that emancipation on Poland and in the UK are 2 different things. One needs to realize that most women in Poland hold a job and staying at home and rising children is simply difficult to sustain since the household needs 2 incomes. Emancipation does not mean being less feminine if that is what you driving at. All the women I know in Poland work. Lets stick to the "work" theme here, so the topic is not all over the place.
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #9
Emancipation does not mean being less feminine

Yes it does, go to Germany or UK, smoking, drunken women who chase career because indeed career and family are hard ends to meet.

As for work i do not understand the poll does it show the most or least prejudiced countries.
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #10
go to Germany

I spent some time in Germany and I didn't see women chasing careers but simply working. The truth is that it is difficult to support a family on a single income, therefore women work and it is not a direct byproduct of emancipation alone, but also the economy.

smoking, drunken women who chase caree

what does that have to do with the emancipation? emancipation meant the right to vote and have a voice, the right to divorce and the right to have money. I am not sure what was wrong with that.
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #11
what does that have to do with the emancipation? emancipation meant the right to vote and have a voice, the right to divorce and the right to have money. I am not sure what was wrong with that.

Basics unfortunately led to the next step in the process, ie women "wearing trousers".

I spent some time in Germany and I didn't see women chasing careers but simply working.

Then we must have visited different Germany.

Anyway Jesus was a man, God was a man, there is no real rational reason for women to have rights, i mean we had women stripped of any rights for so long and it worked, now we gave them rights and see what happens, two world wars !
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #12
there is no real rational reason for women to have rights

why not?
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
27 Sep 2008 /  #13
now we gave them rights and see what happens, two world wars !

Name me a country where women had the vote before 1914
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
27 Sep 2008 /  #14
before 1914

Norway, Denmark, New Zealand..............
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
27 Sep 2008 /  #15
Poland gave rights for females in 1918 whe we regained independence. I don't think that Dekameron represents common Polish values.

In my opinion we are so high in this table because we never heard about glass ceiling or something like that. Catholic tradition is much different as well. Maybe there is less political corrections but in practice things look much better that in other countries and yes females work in Poland because it is economy. Durring communism females were working and we had such projects like females on tractors.

Nowadays we see in EU similar projects and it looks funny because we are after this chapter.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
27 Sep 2008 /  #16
Polish statistics are not accurate. Many men earn officially only minimum wages, while many women in fact earn minimum wages. Of course this is not any discrimination, mostly value of works dominated by men is higher than value of works dominated by women. Because of natural talents and preferences men and women rarely hold similar jobs.

it is called pay equality

This is always dream of unskilled workers.

It is practiced mostly in public sector (teachers, nurses, etc) and causing lack of motivation among workers. This is one of the reasons why quality of public sector is so poor like in education and health-care nearly elsewhere.
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #17
This is always dream of unskilled workers.

pay equality is when both sexes get paid the same money for performing the same job. You obviously confused it with something else.

and causing lack of motivation among workers.

how so? Please explain.

This is one of the reasons why quality of public sector is so poor like in education and health-care nearly elsewhere.

it is because they are getting underpaid nor because of pay equality. Yo obviously have no idea what it means to work in an education or a healthcare system in Poland. LOL

Of course this is not any discrimination, mostly value of works dominated by men is higher than value of works dominated by women. Because of natural talents and preferences men and women rarely hold similar jobs.

did you tell that to your wife or your girlfriend or your mother? how did they react?
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #18
why not?

Well it would be fun to have a female slave instead of a fiancee ...
lesser 4 | 1,311  
27 Sep 2008 /  #19
pay equality is when both sexes get paid the same money for performing the same job. You obviously confused it with something else.

This is not about sexes. You refuse to accept that people performing the same job might have different skills, some are better than other. Thus smart employer is able to notice this difference and pay them different money as well.

Demagogy of feminist agenda showing this case in completely false light, to be conflict of interests between men and women.

lesser:

and causing lack of motivation among workers.

how so? Please explain.

Because wages don't depend from their effort. Gaining and improving skills is not necessary, they wont earn neither less or more.

it is because they are getting underpaid nor because of pay equality

Skilled workers are underpaid because their cash go to their unskilled colleagues to 'sponsor' pay equality.

did you tell that to your wife or your girlfriend or your mother? how did they react?

Neither myself or them feel necessary to talk about this issue. This is just about economy, if somebody deny this is not my problem unless too many people share such views. Remember that I write only about money, while women do many things that cannot be estimated by money.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
27 Sep 2008 /  #20
Norway, Denmark, New Zealand..............

Thank you, now tell me how the women from the above countries were responsible for the first world war by having the right to vote
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #21
This is not about sexes

yes, it is because on the average women make less than men up to 50% worldwide and as far as I am concerned Polish women are better educated than men,

Demagogy of feminist agenda showing this case in completely false light, to be conflict of interests between men and women.

It not a demagogy. As far as I am concerned it is about making money and money is power. So it is about power which later translate, according to you into a conflict of interest. There is no conflict of interest. If you wife brings more money home, your household has more to spend;)

Because wages don't depend from their effort.

that is typical for any government job.

Gaining and improving skills is not necessary, they wont earn neither less or more.

this is something which should be changed, if lets say the worker is not doing their job. I though that people in Poland had a job description.

Skilled workers are underpaid because their cash go to their unskilled colleagues to 'sponsor' pay equality.

can you prove that?

Neither myself or them feel necessary to talk about this issue.

why am I not suprised?:0

This is just about economy, if somebody deny this is not my problem unless too many people share such views. Remember that I write only about money, while women do many things that cannot be estimated by money.

no, it is not. As I said previously it is also about the power which comes along with making money, since the non paid women's work is not valued as high as the paid one. The end.
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
27 Sep 2008 /  #22
heheh Lessers political fraction (UPR) is famous from having 0,5 % support and and 80% of members are bachelor
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #23
LOL. So it is a very small minority not well tolerated in Poland I hear.

And Mr Korwin - Mikke is to being sued for being controversial (again), he is actually know very well know for spewing misogamist remarks;). His party got more attention for his media acrobatics, than for the policies.

It is time to change the political orientation Lesser.

Dekameron, tell your girlfriend what you told me and you would be cut off;)
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
27 Sep 2008 /  #24
Going back to subject I think this table has something to do with being traditionaly catholic country. Italy Frace Poland, some of them are not catholic anny more but still it has something to do with tradition.
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #25
Dekameron, tell your girlfriend what you told me and you would be cut off;)

Why do you think i vent on an internet forum :P
miranda  
27 Sep 2008 /  #26
i see LOL. it seems that is the only place to vent at times. I don't need to vent, maybe I should start?
southern 75 | 7,096  
27 Sep 2008 /  #27
projects like females on tractors.

I would like to see that.Anyway polish women work hard but men do harder jobs like working in mines,industry,construction etc,that is why they often get paid better.
Dekameron 1 | 146  
27 Sep 2008 /  #28
i see LOL. it seems that is the only place to vent at times. I don't need to vent, maybe I should start?

Being old fashoned i believe women can do anything they want as long as they dont smoke or swear like a sailor :)
southern 75 | 7,096  
27 Sep 2008 /  #29
women can do anything they want

I agree that they can drink vodka.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
27 Sep 2008 /  #30
Miranda, when I write about economy you provide only conspiracy theory. Hard to discuss about beliefs, some other think that the Jews control cash and because of this 'everything'. I rather don't waste my time to convince them.

heheh Lessers political fraction (UPR) is famous from having 0,5 % support and and 80% of members are bachelor

People indeed don't like to hear true. As far as politics in concentrated this is better to be defeated together with smart people than to win together with fools.

Anyway, how this is related to the topic? Do you question something that I wrote here? Or you are just upset that I pointed out that this table is inaccurate?

It is time to change the political orientation Lesser.

I'm not any party loyalist. I support what is right and not what is popular. After all if my option lose primary those who voted for populist parties will face the consequences. I will have enough of cash anyway.

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