What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?

That is what I typed in my post then Harry comes along and accuses me of lying, pathetically, too.

You mean the Poles and Plastic Poles who have spent 30 pages of this thread insisting that Poles/free Poles did not take part in the London parade because they were not invited?


You are lying yet again. Nobody has claimed in this thread that Poles marched in the London parade. You are not able to argue with the facts we present and so you attempt to claim we say things which we did not say. How utterly pathetic.


Thank you very much for telling us this. We already knew it because on the very first page of this thread somebody posted “Actually there was a place for Polish servicemen in the London Victory Parade. Polish airmen from the free Polish forces were invited (even though no other 'free' forces were invited, only invites went to official governments, the airmen got a special honour to recognise their contribution to the war) but they refused to attend because they didn't think enough London Poles were invited.” That poster was me. Thank you for posting exactly the same information as I posted at the beginning of this thread. Should I call you a Jew because you agree with me? You told me that I interpret historical facts a certain way because of my “Jewish bigotry toward Poles”, now that you share my exact interpretation of the historical facts (i.e. free Poles were invited but refused to attend because not enough free Poles were invited) you must also be showing “Jewish bigotry toward Poles”. I suggest you pop down to you local Mohel and get a Brit Milah done.


You can suggest what you want, it won’t change the simple facts of the matter: no Poles attended the London parade because neither the free Poles nor the representatives of the official government of Poland bothered to turn up.

I know this I was just trying to stop the usage of "liar". Must be a lot of guilt on their part to continue to try to defend such a angry manner.

It stemmed from Churchill's lack of caring. As long as he had his glory, that was enough.

The Poles didn't come because they felt offended.

I don't think you have jewish bigotry toward Poles, just typical british bigotry. The jews living in Poland were Polish. Get that straight. They were polish and discriminated against based on their ethnicity by government policy because of idoitic heartless bigots in Poland, which didn't include everyone. Pilsudski tried to change things but, unfortunately, it didn't work out.

I'm entirely aware that Jews can also be Poles, thank you for pointing it out again.


So you aren't anti-semitic, just plain old racist. Fair enough.

No thanks I’ll pass.


I never said “Jewish bigotry” I said “bigotry”, be it American or British or whatever but if you’re Jewish and take it as such that’s OK too really a bigot is a bigot, it does not matter if he’s American, British or Jewish.


If you did not claim that then it must be one big misunderstanding and few pages of needless discussion. Since the very first page of this tread you are doing everything in your power to put Poland and anything that has to do with Poland down, you will resort to any trick in a book, no matter how ridicules it might sound to discredit Poland. For instance, on Page 1 Post 9 of this very thread, you did not like the statement that Poland was the first country to fight the Germans and fought to the very last day of the War.


Now there is no way one could misinterpret to what the OP means when he said “Poland was first to fight” but you did not like that little but very significant word “first” in that statement did you Harry? So you go on and you make up this ridicules argument to what it actually means first to fight. FYI the statement you tried so hard to disprove is still valid because in order to have a fight you have to have someone to fight back otherwise it’s known as beating. If you wanted to be technical about it you would have said that Germany “initiated” the fight and Poland was first country to oppose it, but this would not do since it would still make Poland “first” to fight back. So like I said before you twist the things around, they became half truths, omitting a word here and there, in this case “initiate” and bending the facts to fit your point of view. For this statement you called me a liar. (You do that quiet often it seems). You do this throughout this thread and as a matter of fact throughout this Forum. So my question to you still stands, BTW you never did answer it. What is your shtick? What is your motivation for this since you live in Poland, If not just pure hatred and bigotry?

If you hate it so much GTFO.

If anyone is racist it is probably you which explains why you are here bashing. Your divide and conquer tactics don't work on me.

Jews are not the center of the universe, although they would have you believe they are...People are not rascist because they don't worship Jews, or do not consider them 'special'...The Jewish culture is based on two pillars: 1) The overwhelming desire to accumulate money...2) Constant complaining.

You are such a bigot. Do you know what the real Jozef Pilsudsky tried to do? You aren't being fair. I doubt you understand politics. You do not have the good of the human race in mind. There is this thing called "human rights" as the real Joe Pilsudsky was well aware. You could learn a thing or two from him if you opened up your heart some.

I know what he did...He prevented the Jewish Bolsheviks from overunning Central Europe in 1919...Otherwise, the Communist virus would have overwhelmed the continent...What did Jewish Bolsheviks like Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kaganovich & Beria and all the others think about human rights?..And it is not about individual Jews, but about a certain mindset.

Debatable. Some were and some werent, from what I've read. There was a large section of Jews in Poland who despite having ancestry going back a number of generations in Poland, couldnt speak Polish and knew no Poles. Many Jews would also refer to 'Poles' in the 3rd person, not including themselves in the definition. Other Jews would identify themselves as Poles though. Not a straighforward situation.

Pilsudsky was a socialist. You have a very poor understanding of what was going on. Many people were impoverished in that part of Europe. Many people of all different ethnicities had very little. This drove the revolutions.

Pilsudsky fought Bolsheviks but you have to remember he had society in mind, he helped many poles of all ethnicities. You don't grasp that many Europeans are mixed with all kinds of ethnic groups. Semetic tribes, as well as Asians. That's the reality. He fought bolsheviks, not jews, okay?

Och nö...not your "all yurpeens have jewish ancestors anyhow" diatribe again!
(If it would be so there wouldn't had been those lots of pogroms nor the Holocaust)

You have some semetic and asian because of the Roman empire and mongol invasions. In your part of Europe, there's a lot of ethnic mixing and self hate because so many of you have been brainwashed into believing purer is better. Just because someone speaks German doesn't always mean they are German.

But Germans tend to believe they are.

You have assimilated semetics and asians into your family tree.

I thought I read somewhere that Slavs came from somewhere in Iran, originally, and migrated or something...so there ya go. That is what I am talking about. Thousands of years of migrating. All kinds of people migrating all over Europe. Europe sending millions to other countries too. You have to remember that. You Europeans have sent your masses out to conquer the world. I swear there is so much ignorance on this forum. It really does attract some of the most ignorant people. I don't know why that is. It's a shame.

You do realize Europeans have branched out and left the continent over the years, don't you????
LOL
Good lord. This must be a joke. You cannot be that naive.

It was all Polish that were to cleaned out when Poland was first attacked. This changed to Jewish when Nazi's went after Soviets. This leads to the question of the number of Jewish Soviet military.

Why are you so obsessed with that? Do you hate Europeans? :)


Now aren't we poor PFers are blessed now that you have come to show us the light!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

You can't be serious!!! The real question is: Why would you associate that statement with hate??? How is it hateful?

History has shown us all you cannot keep people in one place. If someone really wants to go somewhere they will. It's a fundamental right. We all have the right to go where we want.

Thats an understatement

But what do you expect on a Polish forum...?

I dunno, you tell me?
You deny the natives of Europe their heritage...want to make them a mud pit of the world...for me that speaks of contempt and even hate.

Oh and Europeans who believe in their heritage are not self-hating, quite the contrary...they are very conscious about their past and roots and cherish them!

Wow VaFunkoolo finely read something that he can actually understand, so he had to speak out.

It seems we have both reached an understanding

You have mixed heritage. Your part of Europe is VERY mixed and you have to accept it. You have to remember Europe hasn't always been like it is now. At one time the Roman Empire included parts of Asia and Africa and people who came from these lands lived in Europe. Germany is close to Austria and Austria is close to Italy and Rome was in Italy and Rome conquered many places. You were eventually conquered by Holy Romans which is why Germans became catholics, before the reformation. Then again, you germans have always been kind of disgruntled.

Oi vay! You've got a lot to learn about Jewish humour before people will start thinking you are a proper Jew.

Oh I accept it...but the case is I'm mixed with other Europeans! :)

The Romans surely wished to have Germania as a roman province and to settle but they came only as far as Cologne (fighting breaks with the tribes not withstanding). In the end it was germanic tribes who conquered and settled in what was Rome!

PS: The old Romans were Europeans to btw.....very germanic looking! :)
Just look at those marble statues...small lips, high straight thin noses, long
faces...Europeans! /March-Titans-History-White-Race/


Wasn't it more a religious matter? Is that now ethnical too???
(And only one half of Germany is catholic btw)


...don't you confuse that with straightforward honesty!

- Where about in Krakow? From the link you provided I can really place this cementary on the map...

I have a question. What about all the other slavic ethnicities in Poland, Kashubians, etc...are they denied their Polishness because they are not ethnic Poles? I read the book The Tin Drum. It said a Kashubian is too german to be polish and too polish to be german. If some poles are gonna be such purists, where do Kashubians fit in?

My understanding is that ethnically Kashubians are a West Slavic group. Since they resided in Prussia and Poland, some culturally identified with Germans and others culturally identified with Poles. Those who viewed themselves as German mostly were expelled, or left Poland. Those who were Catholic and viewed themselves as Slavic, stayed.

When I was in Gdańsk in October there were many souvenirs one could buy of Kashubian arts and crafts. I also ate at a Kashubian restaurant that served fish from the lakes of that area.

It looked to me that they were a nice part of Polish society. Their language is very similar to Polish, and with the passage of time seems more like a dialect of Polish.

On the other hand, they have learned to celebrate their uniqueness and special customs within Polish society.

Kashubians have no problem with being Kashubians and Poles at the same time. Silesians are fucked up separatists but thanks God there's only a few of them. There are Lemkos ( Rusyns ), Ukrainians, Belorusians but there's less and less of them cause they are getting Polonized. Old generations are passing away and younger people speak mostly Polish, leaving hometowns and their people, moving to the big cities and mix with Poles. But on the other hand now, when we have one Europe people think that there's good to be different and are more willing to search for their roots. That's what's going on with people with jewish ancestry in Poland.


it's easier to understand czech or slovak than kashubian

I think it's fair to say many ethnic groups can call themselves polish. It's kind of like the US and Russia.