What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?

OK, so let's assume that they signed a pact with Russia, who was to stop Hitler in his plans? He wasn't gonna suddenly disappear.

You haven't answered my question about the start of the war. Maybe that's one for Hateful to answer.

As for Katyn and Sikorski, these are subjects that I know too little about. Spiteful arguments don't teach lessons though.

On the subject of Yalta, I don't believe there was anything Britain could have done, although it was a failure. Just look at who the real powers were by that time.

I don't know what would have happened. Maybe it would have kept Hitler from expanding eastward? Germany might have been more intimidated, or more years would have elapsed before an invasion, allowing Germany more time to prepare for a war with the USSR.

Either that, or it would have meant an immediate yet prolonged war with the Soviet Union, most likely fought in Poland and other E.E. countries if they also signed pacts. There's wasn't enough alliances.

are you really a woman? lol

YES!!! Why do you ask that????

NO... :') France had THE land army in western Europe.


No, but the French would have been successful walking right through the Siegfried Line into the Ruhr.


Germany declared war on the US.


So do you see England and Japan as allies?

I am interested in how you resolve the inevitable conflict between England and an expansionist imperial Japanese empire.

Are you forgetting all the KZs that were similar to Soviet Style Gulags? The entire Nazi system was Soviet-like. Since all the KZs started popping up in the GG right after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbontropp pact, I wonder if there was indeed a conspiracy between the USSR and Germany?

It is circumstantial, but still, my eyebrow raises.

Funny thing is, Deutsche KZ were modeled after British concentration camps of the Second Anglo-Boer War...

i have tried to read as much as possible on this thread,,,

to add a 'one persons view'

my wifes grandfather said the russians were 10 times worse than the germans??

also the problem with Wałęsa (again 3rd party story) was that when he went into power he handed land etc to his family and friends enabling them all to get rich

these are 2 stories i heard whilst living in poland but to get back to the original thread i have only read one book on polish history 'Rising '44: The Battle for Warsaw' pretty harrowing reading. so my views are basic.

to much time is spent dwelling on the past instead of learning for the future, any war is wrong but history is generally written by the winners,,,,

You are such a pathetic liar.



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Why do you bother telling such pointless lies? It is so obvious that you are lying. Do you really think that you have any chance of getting away with your lies? Are you that stupid?

And what did the USA do? Do you think Churchill had any real influence over Stalin at Yalta?

At the time the US wasn't obligated to do anything. Why would the US be under any obligation? Nowadays because technology has improved, the US can be more involved internationally. At the time, due to transportation issues, it wasn't practical. It was up to Britain to show leadership. Britain failed.

Unfortunately, Churchill did not have an honest partner in Roosevelt.


The fate of Poland was sealed at the Tehran Conference.

Yes, Stalin's plan was to exterminate Polish, at the last min. he decided to send some them to Siberia to slave and die. Believe me in the East Polish were being killed or stuffed into cattle cars. If Nazi's did not attack Soviets chances are I would not be here. Remember when Germany made it to eastern Poland and all Lenin and Stalin's statues were smashed. People saw Nazi's as saving them from the Soviets.


Britain will not release the recods they hold, Poland is working on this today.

This is not accurate. The Declaration by United Nations specifically the Atlantic Charter identified eight points. One of those eight is: 'Territorial adjustments must be in accord with the wishes of the peoples concerned.'

The truth is the United States WAS obligated. Instead of working as an ally with Churchill, FDR went out of his way to belittle Churchill in front of Stalin.

What? Lol, I never heard that. What's your proof? Truth was, FDR kind of liked Stalin though, on a personal level. Stalin had some pretty funny quips, etc. This was before The Great Purge.

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Everybody knows what the Nazi ideology was and how they thought Germans were superior to Poles. We all know that Nazis thought they were ubermensch and Poles untermensch and they used this as an excuse to carry out their sick ideological plans. That has always been overt.

Some don't realize The Soviets hated Poles just as much. Why is this? Did the Soviets ever make it clear? Was it over a past conflict?

Here you have your answer!
GB was in no position and without any ability (totally broke and dependent) to do anything.
The US and the USSR were the big winners in this war (for the next half of a century)....how should England go against both of them alone?

Well okay, but i don't have the book in front of me. Give some examples of how FDR belittled Churchill in front of Stalin. I've read books about Tehran , Yalta plus Conrad Black's ( Canadian) huge book about FDR. It seems Churchill was kind of hypersensitive sometimes.

What I always found weird was that many Poles had Aryan qualities, I have remarked on this before. There were many Germans who didn't fit the Aryan description to a tee.

What is an "aryan" feature? :)

Seanus geez, I can't believe how naive you are!!!!!! EVERYBODY KNOWS both German and Poles are ethnically mixed. NEITHER conform to the Aryan ideal. From what I can tell, Swedes are the only ones who do.

I think he confuses this with "nordic" features...:):):)

no, in the south they can be fairly dark complected. A lot of people don't realize that.

Light-coloured hair (blond), blue eyes, high forehead, strong jaw and a straight nose.

Is that good enough for you? I have more.

Aryan is supposed to be blond hair, blue eyes, light complected, tall and atheletic. The supposed supermodel athelete of the social darwinic world.

Hitler himself had brown hair/blue eyes...people realize that!
You aren't "aryan" with blond hair/blue eyes only...or it would leave out 50 to 60 percent of the germanic race!

A lot of Slavic women are the new supermodels. They don't really look Aryan.

It's because they are ethnically mixed and exactly why they are so beautiful. MIXED IS BETTER LOOKING THAN PURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Naive my ass. It is true that many Poles had Aryan features, how can you dispute that?

Many Germans didn't conform to the Aryan ideal! Far from it. What is wrong with that?

Geez, the Swedes are Nordic. Many black people were introduced to Sweden in the 1970's. Are they Aryan too? Don't be daft! Denmark may have been a better example.