What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?

Where would you like them to have come from? An amphibious assault on Danzig perhaps? How was Britain supposed to get troops to Poland a few weeks after war was declared? Do remember that the last of your troops in Poland surrendered within five weeks of the declaration of war.


Here is a photo of what Poland considers to be a fitting memorial to foreigners who died in Poland fighting against the German army:
galeria.lidzbark.com/details.php?image_id=36&mode=search

The declaration of war is an intent. It may not be feasible to mobilise quickly. If Britain had somehow mysteriously managed to get troops into Poland we would have bene looking for a Polish Dunkirk in days. At that time the German Forces were the strongest and best equipped in Europe. They were using tactics never seen before. In short they were a formidable fighting force that even the Americans would have struggled against - at that time.

Ah America. Weren't they at Yalta too?

You are the one who is b!tching about how Britain did nothing. Perhaps the reason that Britain did little more than declaring war is because there was little more than declaring war that Britain could have done? Perhaps that's the case. Seeing as how neither you nor anybody else is able to say exactly what Britain should have done, it's pretty clear that there was nothing else Britain could have done.

I love how you are now complaining that Britain declared war on Germany. Obviously in your eyes Britain shouldn't have done that. I'm inclined to agree.

You would have had to march through Germany, of course!!! You were the one that declared war. It means marching through Germany. How else is it going to happen????

It's true, threatening to declare war and then actually declaring it means you will have to march through the country you have declared it on. It's common sense!! That's part of the deal.

Was it Harry who declared war? I'm going to have to tear a few pages out of a few history books now.


Ronseal poster.

I really am going to attempt to leave this thread now.

A wise tactical withdrawal. I'm right behind you.

England??? 1939??? Marching through Germany??? Erm...do you think they would have been successful?

They would have had to try or their threat would have been totally bogus and empty. Which it was, anyway, for many years.

They could have started by telling the truth? Orders were given to go to Poland and stall them, bs them into thinking were coming. This seems to have set how the forth largest ally in WW2 would be treated.

Oh look! Another foul lie from everybody's favourite Yank. Keep this form up Carol and Poland will doubtless give you an honourary passport (so you can keep the American one which identifies the real you).


And where should we have started that march exactly?

Do you have some numbers for me?

You would have gone through the Netherlands, to Hannover, Germany, than onward to Berlin. I am sure you would have had to capture Hamburg, too.

Britian didn't do anything only because they feared the public humiliation and ridicule of a possible defeat against Germany so they didn't even attempt.

And the Dutch were going to let us do that were they?

Try to remember that your own armed forces were already running away from the Germans in August 1939....

The US didn't declare war until the bombing of battle ships in Pearl Harbor and that was by the Japanese.

If the Dutch said no, you could have asked Belgium, I am sure they would have said yes!

Not "Britain didn't do anything because assaulting German sea defences would have been suicide and a complete waste of the limited forces Britain did have" ?

Hmmm....saving one's soldiers to fight another day, with a better chance of winning, is more like it...

an attempt to take on Germany at that point in time would have resulted in more than a loss of face. The casulties would have been horrendous and the defeat absolute. I guess you didn't major in military strategy?

I mean the Polish forces who were running away from the Nazis in August 1939.

Why did the USA declare war on Germany?


That's Poles for you.

Sadly, that's part of war. That's the reality. Should Britian have taken on a responsibility they couldn't handle, ie: the declaration of war on Germany? Probably not. Without a concise plan, history has pointed the finger at Britian for declaring and not rendering.

Harry you are just bashing poles here after their country was heartlessly invaded. Nazis wanted to take every single pole, no matter what ethnicity, and put them in the gulag style KZ. How can you be so heartless?

I thought you didn't want me to link you to death? Well this one is good,

euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/1939.htm


I gave you the link the other day with all the meeting that took place, you'll have to go get them by pressing back.

Again...it should have been clear for Warschau too! WHAT DID THEY EXPECT???

No that's anybody with an axe to grind. The best discussion on this topic I've ever had, a real debate with fact, conclusions etc was actually with a Polish guy who was slightly better informed

It's the same old theme since nineteen-thirty nine.
In your head, in your head they're still fighting,
With their tanks and their bombs,
And their bombs and their guns.
In your head, in your head, they are dying...

oh, sorry wrong thread.....

No, not history, Poles have pointed the finger at Britain. The rest of the world (and history) have taken this as another example of how Poles generally deserve what they get.

I love how Poles criticise Britain for not doing enough and then in the next breath say how Britain shouldn't have declared war on Germany.

More accurately: you have pointed your finger. Now please go and find some logic while I go and pour myself a large drink.

Not to sidelongs essays by some unknown bloggers, but I LOVE stats and facts! :)

I think that's a heartless point of view considering the circumstances.

Na ja....on the other hand you openly demanded the sacrifice of uncounted british soldiers during their hypothetical march through Germany...which would amount to suicide actually and wouldn't help you one bit I fear.

It might may you feel better but these soldiers, these armies would be sorely missed later.

GB should have made clear that this guarantee can't contain extraordinary military help - but Poland should have known that by pure logic too!

Because Britian said they would go to war if Germany invaded Poland...

verstehen Sie????

Some pages back I actually offered my belief that this declaration of alliance (France's too) was more like a bluff against Hitler.

GB+France+Poland = He surely wouldn't dare!

...well...bummer...he was a fanatic!