Poland turning into a religious state? Polish politic and Church.

What do you think ?...

pretty sad

More bullshi*ts from Stalinist, who should be in prison instead of Parliament.

Yeah...


Who are you talking about G ?...

He just stated what have been said. That's all. I'm not sure he's wrong...Religion takes too much place in the Polish gov sometimes.

- A commie. They hate Christianity, especially Catholicism. And so seems to do the hack - author of the news in English you're quoting.

Left and Democrats (LiD) it's the new name for the former Democratic Left Alliance (SLD). And during communism, i.e. Russian occupation, they called themselves the Polish Workers' Party (PZPR).

Under any name at all they shall always be just a bunch of Polonophobic degenerates and traitors.


- More importantly: what do you think?
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- Any examples of that? And even if it were the case that 'religion takes too much place in the Polish gov sometimes,' why would it be so wrong?

Judging from your posts, the French media seem to be quite adverse towards Christanity, and Polonophobic too. You should question this commie crap the French press is made of.

And I finally agree with Puzzler for the first time.

I keep saying that religion is a personal matter and have nothing to do in politic issues and in education. Are we all obligated to be Christian ?...Freedom also means that we must have the choice to think on our own.


Hmm...it's a Polish website :) No French at all. Polish press. There's no attack again Christianity and noone is polonophobic, it's just that school must be for everyone, and not only for Christian people, i don't think you're going to disagree on that, unless you're schoolophobic, atheistophobic, or any other difference :)

Although Catholic Church has a great influence in the Polish politics, I would be far from comparing Poland to a religious state and put it in the same line as Iran, for example.

Also, it is worth to point out that Mr. Szmajdzinski and his party Left Democratic Aliance has a very little credibility left and any statement coming out of this party and its people, to me personally has a very little value.

Of course not. No one says that. Commies just talk crap hoping that they will get 1% more of support from old commies, young anti-Christian fanatics and other freaks.

making religious education compulsory until A-level can be very dangerous if they were only to teach christian religion. if they teach the whole diversity of religion they would still leave pupils the choice. and more importantly future generations would understand better what the differences between different beliefs are and try to avoid misunderstandings...

diversity is key.

- Are we all obligated not to be Christians? Are we all to accept as only true your idea of 'freedom'? Why? Why should your view be better than that of Christians? And do the Christians criticise you as you're criticising them? Live and let live, mate.

I'm still waiting for a proof from you that there's too much religion in the Polish government....
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There have been forces at work in Europe since the 18th Century that want to destroy Christianity...this should be no surprise...I see no harm at all in having classes in religion

taught in school...the course should include a comparison of different faiths/religions...I
would suggest, however, that, since many Poles are Roman Catholic, that the church should sponsor specific Christian education & Bible study...also, in my view, the Roman Catholic church needs to discern, as Jesus said, 'the signs of the times', and make an effort to reach out to young people in a more modern way...this does not mean preaching a 'different' Jesus Christ, but it does mean examining some Catholic doctrines that may have been in error in the first place, and have little use today.

Isn't the fact of such meeting an evidence of influence that Catholic Church has in the government?

common Puzz, you are just stirring here. If you really follow what is going on in Poland, then you would notice that church wants more power than it had during communism. It has nothing to do with religion.

As for France - she separated church from the government long time ago, which is good because beliefs should stay out of politics.

Yeah, so why make religious education a compulsory A-Level subject ? True, let live.


I can answer both questions (stupid questions, aren't they ?) : NO.


I'm not saying that my view is the best, or whatever, but just asking why should everyone (SO that includes atheists, or people with other religions, beliefs...) receive a Christian education ? Isn't Poland a secular country ?


I'm not criticizing Christians, just some ideas of some of them. That's all.

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I agree :)


Exactly. In France, the Church separated from the gov in 1905, but in Poland, the Church and the gov are separated too...At least officially...

When has it not been a religious state? When has religion not effected the choices most Polish people make?

Saying it's turning into one is stupid. It's been religious from the start, it just has new issues to face.

Officially, the Church and the gov are separated in Poland, it's a secular country.


I'm talking about politic and education, i don't care about what people think, everyone is free to believe in what he/she wants.

Yeah, in the past wars have been fought over religion. Poland called for help against its pagan neighbors in the past = Teutonic crusaders invade lithuania and eventually Poland sides with Lithuania to fight off the controversial crusaders.


Shame one you.....

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- And why not? There are other compulsory subjects too. What's the difference? Why should knowledge of Christianity mean not to let live? And Poland is still a Christian - Catholic country; Christianity is closely connected with our national culture and values. If the majority wants the knowledge of Christianity to be a compulsory subject, what's wrong with that? Does democracy mean the rule of majority or minority, Polson? How should knowledge of Christianity hurt atheists or non-Christians? Does e.g. physics hurt those students who don't believe in physics? Or does it make any one of those who study physics a physicist?

LoL what religion/belief is supposed to be the "good one" ?...


Hehe, i mean, people's minds are not my business :)

- Who are those Christians and what are those ideas of theirs you're criticising?

I agree 100% with this statement. If someone doesn't like the way something works, they should move on. Just because Catholicism is taught about and discussed in a Polish classroom does not mean they are trying to convert non-Catholics.

So, in short:

Why fix it if it isn't broken? It's worked this long, leave it be.

Hmm...Poland is a secular country, there is no state religion...everyone is free to believe in the god he/she wants ;)


Was it said that the majority wants it ?...


We should teach differences of beliefs, respect of the difference, everybody's point of view, tolerance, and not only one point of view, one religion.

Neither. No one religion is the right one. You have options in life, you make choices, and you live with it. Why do people always bring it down to that; Which one is right and which one is wrong? Neither and all. In the end we all want the same thing: to be in a better place.

1 goal - many paths to achieve it

In case you didn't notice, we're talking about those ideas :)

If 100 people at work want a company picnic, and the 101st bastard doesn't, how do you please both groups?

I'm not saying that teaching religion should be forbidden, but that those religion classes should not aim at only one way of thinking.

Then make Catholic history/Bible teachings an elective : optional class