A thought on Poland!

I am sorry, Ogorek, for I just recently read this quote. Hm you could be suprisingly open and tolerant? Hope you carry this attitude all along, just not limit that to the Russians. Apologize again.

But they don't see themselves this way at all. They are trying to protect something that they feel is being taken away. They have learned this attitude.

Yes...we have them too...a whole colony of them...but I like them!
Most interesting creatures!
In our germanic mythology Odin has his own two Ravens, Hugin and Munin, he sends them every morning out to gather news what happened on Earth and between his humans and in the evening they come back and tell him everything there is to know...smart birds!

wow :))

looks admiringly to tran Anh :)) very deep indeed..

Yeah, they're funny too. They'll "talk" to you when they are sitting on a fence. They are very smart. In Native American symbology they represent magic, secrets, dreams and the veil between this world and the next. Not bad :)

Sounds rather like just another Germanophobe...


Interesting that they have such an elated place in the Germanic world too isn't it?

:)

Doesn't that mean someone who is afraid of germs?

(Just kidding!) :)

*tries to keep the mood from turning sour*

even advanced though wont control the whole population. it all boils down to
what is taught in the home.. each story is different. each history written is how
they seen it.. as divided as it was. and history is divided. maybe thats why we
stay so divided because we teach it over and over again and again and new
generations are burdened with old wounds that can never heal until we burn
our history books!!!

whos with me!!!! arghhhhhhhhh j/k.. I see I quoted myself but it wasnt me I was
quoting..

Yea, that kinda the same thing that I say: if a "bad attitude" is learned because of bad things that have been experienced, then conversly,good experiences can lead to the development of a "good attitude". They real key in this is being OPEN enough to recognize that what you believe (read bad attitude) might not be true! And then be willing to change what you think, when presented with a new experience.

That's basically what my thread on Tolerance and Diversity was trying to say :)

It's not the books in the first place I think....

It's rather that WWII was the first war really totally captured on film...that was a first and makes it so special and so lingering.

I doubt that the misery of WWII was more cruel than the misery of every other war...but the cruelties of the thirty years war or the roman enslavement of whole

peoples can't as easy be seen and experienced as watching newsreels from WWII...so that impresses more I think...

.....andIlikemyhistorytoomuchasthatIwanttoburnmybooks!....:(

I would love to rant over and over again at the state of the world. There is one great fault in all human education practice so far that it has not found a good way to combat VANITY--possibly the worst evil mankind have always been facing. Vanity forces every men, every nation compete and compare relentlessly again each others, the ones who are more successful ALWAYS prone to be MEGALOMANIAC (everyone bow down before me or else!) while the less successful are equally prone to envy, inferior hatred and cynicism. I find the situation rather hopeless when using conventional means to solve problems between nation and the grudge just carry on until either the whole human race destroy itself or each nation seek one planet (no matter how inhabitable it is) for itself in the whole universe.

But then come the true blessing of mankind, Music. I believe this is the only means to solve every bloody problems that are plaguing us today. So Bratwurst boy, get your eyes and fingers out of your silly PC and go practice some Mazurkas (I suggest the Op 24 by Mr Chopin!) and at the same time the Polish guys and gals should make a dash at the Fantasy by Schuman (the most beautiful German in my opinion!). To appreciate true music, we must foster EMPATHY, and that trait alone can save this rather childish world!

I watch them, I get angry.. yet I am talking to you and find you excellent human being
we misunderstood each other , its our world powers that are at fault then..

so lets stop listening to the crazies and be our human selfs..

That was not an answer Tran!

:(


What you call "great fault" has the nature inbred into every human being for a reason!

That "fault" makes us developing, evolving...without that desire to compete we would had died out long ago!

The whole nature is a competing sharks pond!

now your back to braggin.. :(

Yes...that's my charm! :)

But how should wounds heal if every new generation will feel the same anger again and again?
When I listen to stories about the horrors of the bombing of german cities or from people who suffered the Vertreibung I feel hate too...even if I never experienced that myself!

those third world countries are still going strong..

No...I didn't want to brag just stating a fact!
If these are reasons for Poland to always feel uncomfortable or defensive against Germany then there is NOTHING we can do about it...we can't change it!

I know its all the history we learn.. i wasnt born then.. so why should I feel this
anger? but I re assessed my feeling to be directed at people who do in-human things
even though it didnt change much .. because then we get into a whole bigger picture
and it contradicts itself.. *frustrating* Sigh*


stating it for what reason?? this is where misunderstandings come in.. I could take
you two different ways.. but I think mostly the sarcasim comes in stronger..

now if you were stating it to educate me.. you would say.. did you know that germany
is the largest country in the eu? and as the population grew so did our economy?

etc etc.. your approach was off kiester :)

Ps.. lol dont ask me what off kiester means,, i havent a clue.. :)

I think the feelings of anger and hate are totally natural.
And it is also natural to have more compassion and empathy for your own folks than for other people.

Now putting it into perspective and don't hate the "today people" and also have compassion for other folks is more rational.
Most people can do it...some have problems....a few can't do it at all (those who are very emotional) and are trapped!
You find every kind of those in all peoples....

its really a matter of trust.. with all these historical events that happened..
more or less.. each country has a long ways to go.. but we must keep open
minds..

Then we misunderstood each other...I really didn't want to brag or being sarcastic!

But like Tran presented it that Germany must be restraint...as in let's bond together against Germany because she is so influential!

But we can't help it...we ARE that big and rich and all...there is nothing we could do other than mutilate us voluntarily to become smaller and poorer...

If that is really the way for Tran and Co that bears nothing good for the future and Poland will always have difficulties with Germany.

I dont want that either.. but your only one that feels this way. its probably a
misunderstanding most of the time with these types of conversations..

[i]Ithinkivelosthim../i]

Tranh An you fool, I am British.

But I have lived in Poland for 7 years and lived in Germany for4 years so I have a unique perspective to tell you that you are talking nonsense.

Let's look at Germany another way, or even the US....in the view of other countries ...."for a country that has so much, much is also expected". When there is great power, there must also be great fairness and balance, or you will not be respected. Every mistake made, is magnified by power. And that is just how it is!

Agree. until recently, usa was admired by poland, the media makes us look bad
showing only the bad about the war.. then it dont help that the missle base is going
into action.. but at least the American People get a better reputation even though
our politics suck.

These may be natural responses to events, but if not handled constructively, they can become powerful forces for destruction.

You have some choice in what you do with those feelings. Focus on hate and anger, and they will grow. Focus on life, and you move forward.

(I have to add this: I wasted one year of my life being angry and bitter at something someone had done. I was consumed. It made me physically sick. Then one day I realized it was only me who was keeping myself locked in the anger. I was the one who suffered by being angry/bitter. I will not ever do that again.)

Many people who write things against America have never been here and base their ideas on TV programs. But once they visit the US, they are surprised it is not at all how the media has portraid it. And most American don't agree with the politics so the information others have gathered pertains to the political outview of the United States, not the "little people".

what about come here first then get to know things in the ground then write about then !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could I please ask people who have not suffered at the hands of the Germans/Russians not to make silly comments on things they do not know or never experienced.

It may be ok for people who have not experienced the terror of those times to say lets move on, but for those people who have suffered forgiveness is a tough call.

Please do not insult those Polish people who have suffered and are still suffering.

Pat, you may want to enlighten me and provide some facts of those" German people who helped in the war"....I'm listening!

you are merde red mother...er