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Russia and Poland possibility of the alliance


ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
23 Apr 2009 /  #31
The most perfect form of the alliance between Poland and Russia was in times of Nicolas I. We should protect Poland against herself first.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
23 Apr 2009 /  #32
Kostia, you're in your same old fashion.
PolishDude - | 22  
24 Apr 2009 /  #33
Actually on the personal level Russians and Poles get along VERY well showing that there is something true about the "slavic soul".

So why did they invaded Poland(twice) and treated the poles like trash? Or maybe you weren't taught that part of history?

That's not true. See how many Polish people have been contributing to our culture, science... which means they have always been welcomed here (in Russia).

Oh yes, the Russians love us Poles so much they invaded Poland not once but TWICE in the same century!

See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland_(1939)

And here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War
Crow 160 | 10,261  
24 Apr 2009 /  #34
That all very nice but

i can clearly imagine Parliament of eventual future Slavic Confederation
PerszingPruszek 2 | 18  
24 Apr 2009 /  #35
So far so good.... For the first time Putin is coming to visit Poland.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
24 Apr 2009 /  #36
Oh yes, the Russians love us Poles so much they invaded Poland not once but TWICE in the same century!

It doesn't have anything to do firstly with Russians and secondly with the current state of affairs.
You just don't want to bother yourself with the more careful view on the Russian history of the last century and on the bolshewik's problem which is ok... but if you did, that might explain a lot to you.
southern 75 | 7,096  
24 Apr 2009 /  #37
i can clearly imagine Parliament of eventual future Slavic Confederation

With 200 russian members out of 300?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Apr 2009 /  #38
The most perfect form of the alliance between Poland and Russia was in times of Nicolas I. We should protect Poland against herself first.

Actually the better alliance was in the times of Smuta when we protected Russia against herself first :-))
PolishDude - | 22  
24 Apr 2009 /  #39
It doesn't have anything to do firstly with Russians and secondly with the current state of affairs.
You just don't want to bother yourself with the more careful view on the Russian history of the last century and on the bolshewik's problem which is ok... but if you did, that might explain a lot to you.

Dude..why are you trying to deny the crimes the Russians did on Polish land?? I dont really care what Russians called themselves back then they were still russians.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
24 Apr 2009 /  #40
I dont really care what Russians called themselves back then they were still russians.

Maybe that's the keyword... you don't care if the Russians were actually Russians. :)
Then sorry for misunderstanding you at first. I was talking about Russians who liked you. I can't speak for juice.
At leisure take a quick look on the list of NKVD top-persons. You're likely to learn a lot.

Dude..why are you trying to deny the crimes the Russians did on Polish land??

I've never denied Soviet crimes on Polish land neither I ever denied Soviet crimes on Russian land against Russians.
PolishDude - | 22  
24 Apr 2009 /  #41
Majewski describes the Instytut Literacki publication quoted above as "the most serious Polish publication outside Poland, an absolutely reputable, unbiased journal" which publishes articles by Poles, Ukrainians and others on both sides of the "Iron Curtain."

"I was only a child when it all happened," said Majewski, who lived in Poland for more than a decade after the war, before emigrating to the United States. "Later I became frantically interested, but the point came in my life when I wanted to be cut off from that because it was too painful.

"That was the irony of it all -- that they were killed in such a horrible way, and we couldn't even talk about it."

post-gazette.com/pg/09113/964701-60.stm
Crow 160 | 10,261  
24 Apr 2009 /  #42
With 200 russian members out of 300?

how that? if we speak of democratic Slavic Confederation (or if you want Alliance) it won`t be so. I mean, it can be only if democratic

Let me remind you how is vast Slavic world diversed and numerous: Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Byelorussia, Czeska, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Bosnia-Herzegovina. Of course Lusatia that is on the way, too.

Then, there are countries that are strongly connected with Slavs, heavely influenced with Slavic culture: Hungary, Moldova, Lithuania, Letonia, Estonia, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Kazahstan, Romania and Greece. Of course Padania (Northern Italy) that is on the way, too. All these countries are also eventual candidadtes for future Slavic confederation.

on the end... Parliament of Democratic Slavic Confederation should consists of two crucial chambers (for example):

1 - The House of Representatives of citizens (representative represent % of population)- `one man one voice`
2 - The House of Representatives of states (representatives represent countries)- `one country one voice`

Confederal organization of Union/Alliance is guaranty of specific local interests. Union/Alliance itself is guaranty for personal and collective freedom, progress, safety and sustain development considering vast resources of Slavija.
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
24 Apr 2009 /  #43
Let's live separately like friends and not like room-mates who begin to cough when you are making love. It is much more intersting to deal with one another than be forced to find out ways to solve every sneeze of a different Slav.

The House of Representatives of citizens (representative represent % of population)- `one man one voice`

So what about Slovakia and Montenegro which don't have that many people compared to some others "giants"? What will happen to their interests in the Confederation? And representatives of the states will have as much influence as much resouces of energy they possess. Or you want to introduce liberum veto # 2 which will lead the Confederation into the abyss and will make it unfunctional? Plus Russia in the democratic confederation - what is it an oxymoron? Stop unite everyone, leave communists dream on with their ideas. Let's move forward on a business basis, not some utopico-kissing-licking-brothers-forever ideas.
Crow 160 | 10,261  
24 Apr 2009 /  #44
So what about Slovakia and Montenegro which don't have that many people compared to some others "giants"? What will happen to their interests in the Confederation?

balance should be achieved thru The House of Representatives of states (representatives represent countries)- `one country one voice`

We speaks only hipotheticaly. I`m not an expert in `state organization`. So, feel free to offer better solution for Democratic Slavic Confederation/Alliance

Stop unite everyone, leave communists dream on with their ideas.

say that to universal Borg called EU and NATO world policeman that is tool of it

And representatives of the states will have as much influence as much resouces of energy they possess.

are you member of mafia?

Plus Russia in the democratic confederation - what is it an oxymoron?

i guaranteed to you... today`s Russia is far less idiotic then today`s USA, Britain or France

For me, Poland is West and Russia is on the way to become Western.
PolishCowboy 1 | 48  
24 Apr 2009 /  #45
Crow
Edited by: Crow Today, 17:43

#42

Good idea Crow, I know several slavs from all walks that are thinking that way. I could see this happening in the next 100-150 years. As we move into a multi-polar world, and the dwindling of the western powers I could see a Slavic Confederacy emerging.

Only problem is can bitter feelings from historic feuds impede this. Also is Russia going to behave or is the bear going to sit himself at the head of the table and not share the honey? Plus the populations of most if not all Slavic countries is slowly declining.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Apr 2009 /  #46
ve never denied Soviet crimes on Polish land neither I ever denied Soviet crimes on Russian land against Russians.

Sasha the proble is that the Soviet regime is the result of the failure of Russians to create a mature self-conscious society, Soviets are what Russians today at their core are like, thats what centuries of Tsardom under different names did to you.
thebear45 1 | 67  
24 Apr 2009 /  #47
crow, i read what u say about my homecountry. man, what is wrong with you?? what did albania ever do to u, you are a crazy man.
southern 75 | 7,096  
24 Apr 2009 /  #48
what did albania ever do to u,

Excpet from kidnapping Serbs and deriving their organs for selling them?
thebear45 1 | 67  
24 Apr 2009 /  #49
from kidnapping Serbs and deriving their organs for selling

man, what your problem? you are serb then? you know whta happened at kosovo, at srebrenica. serbs killed and mutilated, decapitated many albanians there simply bc they were albanian, or muslims.

kidnapping serbs? when this happen? 50 years ago?
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
24 Apr 2009 /  #50
man, what your problem? you are serb then?

kidnapping serbs? when this happen? 50 years ago?

And what happened to Mrs. Carla del Ponte?! She must be Serbian too... at heart. lol

kidnapping serbs? when this happen? 50 years ago?

It's happening at the moment. Gosh... I revealed my nationality as well.

Sokrates, this what Russians had been before the revolution and after actually two different things. The later appeared hybrid might be called "sovok". There was a try to implant totally different values, thankfully they failed. They tried to destroy faith and they never succeeded.

Now I notice that the average Russian's slowly deviating from the Soviet turn of mind.
thebear45 1 | 67  
24 Apr 2009 /  #51
Sasha

why you are so ignorant toward my country??
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
24 Apr 2009 /  #52
Towards Canada? :) What's wrong with it? Canada is a nice country with a great opportunities for everybody.... even for alboes who yesterday disemboweled Serbian children.

So what ignorant do you mean? Could you explain?
thebear45 1 | 67  
24 Apr 2009 /  #53
What's wrong with it

Towards Albania man. you are a sick bastard. disembowel children?? what u even talking about
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
24 Apr 2009 /  #54
you are a sick bastard.

:) "Tell me why, why, why... whaiaiaiay"? So far you've basically said nothing but name calling. Is this your last argument?

disembowel children?? what u even talking about

You may or may not know the truth. But I strongly suggest that you face reality taking off pink glasses. With no admission from both sides there would be never ending story.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Apr 2009 /  #55
Sokrates, this what Russians had been before the revolution and after actually two different things. The

The revolution was Russias chance for greatness, the economic leap proved what kind of an awesome potential Russians have IF given freedom, that chance was squandered.

Now I notice that the average Russian's slowly deviating from the Soviet turn of mind.

Which is why Russia as a country will collapse and either fall apart into smaller states or redefine itself, Russians are facing an extreme identity crisis courtesy of Lenin, Trocki and Stalin.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019  
25 Apr 2009 /  #56
Patrias are Norwegian

Hva faen?

I thought they came from Finland?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
25 Apr 2009 /  #57
My bad, i get nordic countries mixed up, you're all the same anyway, horned helmets, axes and all that.
Crow 160 | 10,261  
25 Apr 2009 /  #58
thebear45

Are you muja? If so, just tell me are you aware that you are probably first mujaheedine who visited Polishforums.com? My congrats

whta happened at kosovo, at srebrenica. serbs killed and mutilated, decapitated many albanians there simply bc they were albanian, or muslims.

i don`t give a flying d**k for propaganda of false west against Serbians.

Serbs didn`t start Civil War but you muja Albanians in NATO/EU organization in alliance with germanized Slavs from Croatia and turkinized-islamized Slavs from Bosnia-Herzegovina. Then plus Arab league and NATO achieved agreament how to split Balkan on their zones of control and all those beasts attacked Serbian civilians.

After you killed too much Serbians on most bestial ways in town of Srebrenica, general Ratko Mladic was respond. Mladic was cure, angel of revange and last hope for those Serbs who were still alive in Srebrenica.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
25 Apr 2009 /  #59
Well, I'm off to the Balkans next week. I guess that I'll have positive contact with people from all the countries I go to.

I imagine that Albanians will be fine too but no thanks to Mujas. Muslim fanatics are not welcome.
Crow 160 | 10,261  
25 Apr 2009 /  #60
I imagine that Albanians will be fine

just don`t speak Polish or they would extract your organs faster then your imagination can even imagine what`s happening

Muslim fanatics are not welcome.

if mujas capture you, try to convince them that you believe in NATO-muja axis. That, maybe save you and yes... plus tell them that you greately hate Serbs

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