Should Poles become a minority in Poland?

are you English or Poles?????

The way things are going and the smaller and smaller the world becomes i wouldnt be surprised if in 300 years countries are referred to as that used to be England, Germany or Spain in the old days, before the new world order.

No, Poles shouldn't become a minority in Poland.

But 97% of people living in Poland are ethnically Polish. There are few countries that are so homogeneous. The immigration to Poland is very low comparing to most other countries. And immigration shouldn't go too fast. Too much immigration in too short time is not good for anyone.

Very true that, SwedishPole. Even the Japanese would be proud of that statistic. A minority, what paranoia.

Usually the major problem isn't the immigration itself, it's the "speed" of immigration. In many Western European countries too many immigrants came in too short time. That's what causes problems. When there was a "slow" rate of immigration to many WE countries we didn't have these problems we have today.

I'm not against immigration, but it should be at a rate that allows these persons to adapt to their new country and culture.

Poland witnessed an influx of temporary workers when times were good 2 or 3 years ago. Many investors came on short-term contracts but that's about the extent of contact with foreigners here.

In my opinion the immigration question is easy to answer.

If someone wants to live in another country he/she should absolutely be able to do this, as long as he/she behaves good and adapts to the new way of living (in the new country).

I agree with that and that comes with an open mind. It's as Voltaire said, maybe I don't necessarily agree with your way of thinking, I'll respect it.

I know I always harp on about Japan but adaptation there is as poignant as anywhere. Cultural awareness is an evolving state and takes a while to master.

Very much doubted. If you asked around, you will find that even the most liberal person will agree that something big is eventually going to happen. Civil war on our streets has been mentioned on many occasions. This won't just happen in the UK but in Europe. Look up "European civil war 2025." I would predict something will happen between 2012 and 2025.

Muslims make just 3% of the population and already we have had riots in Oldham, Burnley, Birmingham, Leeds etc between white British people and Asians. It's just not going to happen. Since the points-based immigration system that was implemented Asian and African immigration has decreased vastly. European immigrants have overtaken both Asian and black.

A Polish workmate told me Poland is starting to receive a lot of Afghan immigrants... You'll be heading our way unfortunately.

It should be ok as long as the Pakistanis dont arrive.. after all they are only after the money or so I read.

I doubt Afgan workers, but Poland is now seeing an influx of South eastern asian migrants using Poland as a stepping board to western Europe.

You've been reading Seanus and his ruminations on "the English". The English aka one occasional forum poster on PF.

My ruminations are various.

If you think about it, British have history of imperialism and occupation so they developed extensive trade or control over other regions. Maybe I am missing something far back in history, and please forgive me, but the Polish do not have this record of imperialism and therefore did not open themselves up to this. I am not one to say it is right or wrong either way.


Time to make more British babies then! :D

Speak for yourself!


Most people dont.

Like the history if China or Japan?
I'd say they are still pretty Chinese and Japanese.

ha! britain deserves that! there was a day when britain was ruling the world..now it will be ruled by the world..after all, every dog has its day

Bollocks. What you should have said was now it will be owned by the IMF

I think Britishness is about having a certain kind of mindset, and not about blood lines.

Otherwise, the current royal family (von Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha) and more than half of the House of Lords cannot be British. H.M.Queen is married to a Greek. Do you want to deport him for being too un-British?

Equally, if it is about blood and ethnicity, most of the North Americans, Australians, New Zealanders and White Africans have to be automatically given British nationality. It is not happening at all, because the British do not think in such a way.

Here in Poland, and perhaps more so in Japan, it's about ethnicity. Wherever you live, you are Polish if you look Polish, have Polish ancestors and speak Polish fluently.

So, a Chinese man who was born in, say, Manchester, speaks English as his mother tongue and behaves completely British is indeed British. A Chinese man who was born in Krakow, speaks Polish as his mother tongue and behaves completely Polish is not regarded as Polish at all.

One of the above two mindsets created an empire, and another didn't.

Are you talking about British or English, Scotish (NI) Irish and Welsh?


As for white Saffers the majority of them are of Dutch decendents not British.


All these countries have independence from Britain,they wanted independence they have their own nationalities now and they made it clear they wanted out and to break away from Britain so tell me why they should be given any preferential treatment because their GGGGG grand dad was born in the UK and left when he was 15 years old to seek fame and fortune, An English person can't just walk into any of the above countries and set up home.


Yoshi, British is a term that seems these days to apply to anyone born on this Island or rocked up here and stayed for a few years to get a passport. If you look at forms that ask questions about your ethnicity, you will always see a part that says (for instance) "Chinese" so whilst a Chinese person has a British passport and was possibly born here and speaks broad Manc, he is still Chinese, hence the new wording "British born" {ethnicity} - this is to keep a check on the "diversity" in the UK...

British, as it reads.


They shouldn't be. The way of thinking that you have just presented here is exactly my point. It's about their identities, and not about blood. They don't think they are British, so they aren't.


I didn't create that problem.


You are obviously confusing ethnicity (English, Irish, Chinese, Pakistani, etc) and national identity (British).

A British person can be English, Irish, Scotish, Chinese or just anything. It's all about whether the person feels comfortable with the fundamental values that Britain represents. A British-born Chinese is a Chinese person who identifies oneself as Chinese, but just happened to be born in Britain. Such person isn't really British.

So, a British-born British citizen who beats his 16-y/o daughter into marrying a 60-y/o cousin is not quite British in my opinion.

No they are not, but they will argue that they are....yet they will demand different rights to an indiginous (English, Irish (NI), Scotish, Welsh) British person...


You didn't and the problem is being rectified.


Im not confused, being British before Britian became ethnically diverse related to people who were English, Irish (NI), Welsh and Scotish, the confussion started when eveyone who came here became British - British isn't just an identity....it was a name for a collective of the countries based in GB..

In old Europe national identity is the same as ethnicity, its different for countries like US and Canada but their historical and social principles are different, of course some black muslim or a turk who's father came to UK can claim he's British all he likes but there's culture, custom, religion and ethnicity setting him apart from real Brits.

why of course...why not?

Because apart from very few who actually have gone native these people have different customs and religious beliefs and a very different culture thats often in direct conflict with the British way.

If you demand that your woman cover herself and exert authority over her free will for example you're in conflict with our western way of life, enough of these conflicting matters set you apart from the natives of the land and if you're trying to bend them to your ways its even worse since you become a hostile.

I should think the amount of coloured foreigners relocating to Poland will hugely increase over the next 10 - 20 years with all the interacial marriages bound to occur from Poles hooking up with ethnically non white Brits.

How old are you talking?

Even prior to the more recent waves of immigration, England (or the English people) constituted a mixture of Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Norse, and Normans.

There are some rather obvious physical differences between Vikings and Celts.

I'm perfectly happy with colored minorities who live here longer than 6 generations, shorter than that they can go screw themselves, abroad.


There's absolutely no physical differences, zip. Both ancient Gauls and ancient Norse come from Indi-European ethnic group which is white, pale and blonde, you actually compared some of the two closest genetic types within indo-european grouping.

Now lets take a black muslim or a turk, there's some obvious psychological, religious, mental, cultural and physiological differences between us and them, some of them cannot be overcome.

None at all? What about my ethnic group? My family has lived in England for many many generations but I am white with dark hair? Are you honestly suggesting that all white English people are from the same ethnic group?

Are Poles and Germans from the same ethnic group? They're both white European. Right?


My sister goes out with an "ethnic" Turk. He was born in England (doesn't quite qualify as per your 6 generation rule) but he is as culturally British as Fish and Chips. There are no noticeable psychological, religious, mental or cultural differences whatsoever. Ethnicity does not determine character. Had he been born and raised in Turkey, the situation might be different.


Some people just make no effort and simply prefer to characterise people through physical differences. This is an ignorant thing to do.

Actually yes they are its called indo-european and there's variations especially after different sub-groups have been mixing, this includes Romans, Greeks, Gauls, Norse so its natural that not all people are identical.


And both from indo-euro group so yeah they're pretty close.


Right, i'm sure he is.


So why the hell is there so much religious issues by people born in Britain? Why do "fish and chips" muslims try to forcefully convert people? You want the colored minorities keep them but dont pour all that crap into Poland.

I dont want ethnic slums, i dont want religious and ethnic riots, i dont want dirtbags with sixty children saying how all Poles need to convert, keep your fish and chips honor murderers and slum missionaries to yourself, cultural diversity my ass.

And i have no big love for Germans but i'll take a Fritz over a paki any day of the week.