Non-Polish members - what knowledge does your country have about Poland?

no lector is not used in Germany - they have films dubbed

dubbing does pretty much harm to the original sound and feel of films

I know cause I have watched loads of dubbed stuff on Czech TV living close to the border. And it is really painful to me hearing popular often charismatic international actors dubbed. I don't know weather films are dubbed east of us. But I know that west of us they are (Germans do it, Italians do it, Dutch do it, don't know about the French)

The lector thing has some real advantages - first of all it is faaaar cheaper. Second if you are somewhat trained you can actually listen to the original dialogues which is very nice. And you know real voices of the Hollywood actors (and not so Hollywood ones too ;) which Germans, Czechs, Italians, French??? don't happen to know

it does not maim the original soundtrack of the film
dubbed films tend to sound very fake/unnatural

btw if you hear the original voices it is not dubbing

cartoons are on the other hand dubbed and on many occasions this is a brilliant job - watch Shrek in Polish for example.

as for subtitles - you cannot follow a film if you go to get yourself a cup of tea (most Poles would not be able to anyway)

the lector does the job for you ;)

Since I am an person wich is interessted in History I just have to tell you that it is a difference between Nazi Germany and Germany (Germans at thoose times and todays Germans maybe not very big, well todays Germans say thoose Germans were tricked by the brilliant & cruel politician wich really was an Austrian and not German so he is counted out of German history books, they all spoke German and were Germans but innicent because of an evil Austrian wich took the spotlight)

it's not that I want to bash Germans but maybe I am oversensitive on that issue but I am not sure Germans have learned enough from their history

a couple things make me believe so
one of these are the resentments they feel after being expelled from what is now parts of Poland (and also Czech Republic) (well some of them feel - but they make institutionalized)

many of them cannot believe it was just(ice) what happened to them closing their eyes to what their brothers and fathers have done to other nations - it was just in the spiritual sense - it was merely a payout - a national karma if you want to believe.

and there is also another thing - claiming that Germans were lambs without a flaw just some bloody Nazis came and seduced them is quite ridiculous - there was something in the consciousness of the German nation that made them vulnerable to such ways of seduction - Herren race etc. Letting Germans believe that there was nothing wrong with them - that they were simply victims is letting them turn the blind eye to these flaws of their psyche.

Having said that no nation has not got flaws in its consciousness. Perhaps Polish flaw of the consciousness is a feeling of self-righteousness. In general people don't want to see their flaws anyway.

If there is pure heart no politician can make you perform crimes - I see that this way.

and I don't find anything totalitarian in the lector thing - I rather find dubbing chauvinistic (well it actually is an industry in itself - once started and people got used to it it's there to float)

it's just simplistic reasoning - dubbing democratic? lector totalitarian? on some vague notions?

Oh, God... not another 10 pages of frustrations and accusations...

Well that's a different version of what I said :)


You know a lector mostly say it in a totally different way then what the real persons say, it is widely known that lectors didn't say 100% truth of what really happened. Good examples are Katyn movies etc, but really I can't blame the lector alone it's mostly the propaganda thing.