Poland over the next 10 years?

wow Frank, yes, they will, didnt think of that, but your right, they will use what
was learned to better their economy! GO POLAND!!

i really hope so... but as frank says... poland needs to learn to play the game... quickly... and learn by the mistakes that other european countries have made...

Polands wealth is its people...but you have to get your government to realise that.....your business leaders, intellectuals....academics etc......

Hard work alone isn't quite enough.........take a few risks.....second guess yourself....strive to improve, never be content with what you have, how able you are or what you want to learn next.........well to a degree!!!!....lol

A recent article in the Irish Times noted that Russia felt it had two "enemies" to be on its guard against.........not USA...not UK....not China....but.....yes now you know.....Poland and Lithuania.......!!!!!

Ask yourself why.....go on.....dare you.....

They won't make much difference if the job vacancy has already been filled.

There is an certain attitude here that doesn't bode well for those returning in a few years. There will be a lot of resentment towards people if they are seen to be taking jobs from those who stayed. In short some of them will be treated as 'scabs'.

We have heard a lot about the level of education in Poland and no-one seems to dispute it. The universities are teaching 'western style' economics. I don't see much that ex-pats can really offer. After all anything that's new is only one click away.

From what I can see it is American and Asian business practice that has an influence here because they are the people investing.

Some of those people who cut an' run to work in menial jobs will have no impact at all when they get back. Their skills and experience will be out of date.

But some of these people will create new jobs themselves, also there should be more jobs than went they left.

Polish people will have to change their attitudes.........if they don't they will stagnate.

Those who left..took a risk..some will doubtless have changed their attitudes.

"Scabs" ....really..?.you mean poland will turn into a nation of begrudgers..thats what it really means.


They won't be ex-pats...W.....they will be improved, more able Polish people....a different thing.


No this is not correct......they aren't economic traitors...they are economic pioneers..to be respected, for what ever reason they left...THEY...took a risk...the most scary thing of all...IMHO!

And I agree with Wroclaw and disagree with Frank.

Your perogative..........but being optimistic...is part of how Poland will change.....

I don't doubt that they took a risk. My point is that those people, for whatever reason, who are employed in menial jobs will have no impact when/if they come home.

100% agreed!


If anything, Wroclaw, they can be the learning curve for their children-----so they don't repeat it if its a mistake.....nothing in life is a waste of time IMHO.

Pll from abroad wont go back to do menial jobs in Poland . FACT. They have children there and named them: Patrick, Oliver and other english names. They are not coming back and in fact they are not needed.

ola... sweetheart... the biggest ever cocaine bust - 9 metric tons - was in gdynia... and thats the one they got

poland produces most of europes amphetamine and lsd... and exports weed to holland... they also have some of the most prolific mushrooms in their forests... and fek... i was offered ketamine... a bloody horse tranquilizer... by a doctor i met last night...

... tell me about it... what do you know...?

In the mean time a lot of them have saved money, sent money home, actually worked for 1-2-3 yrs...an experience they never had in Poland...how can that not be a good thing????....

I fail to see why having working in menial job is a bad thing...I have had menial jobs W.....was it bad for moi?....an absolute no...we all have to make compromises when we start out in life....even well educated, smart/able/ brilliant Polish people....:)

Your country produce it even more,,,,,,,,I have no proof as well but do you you dont care of proofs as I see. Bust found in Poland was only temporary here because its final aim was british isles. And yes I dont have proofs but you dont have these either.

Ranj, Frank,

To be honest I don't think all these people are going to come back. Once they establish roots, family etc, they will stay where they are. Or there is the possibility that they will by-pass Poland and go elsewhere. We just don't know.

After all that discussion on how to improve Poland why don't just all of us that were speaking here on the issue go back to Poland as a team and simpy wipe out all the mess and **** that was created in our lovely country. I think we have the tools, hands, knowledge, and the balls to do that ... what do you say!??! Any real patriots here ready for some action?

Very true Wroclaw, but there is always hope.....I said it in another thread....there's no place like home....and if they still have family in Poland, they may very well come back. I see proof of that in the ex pats on this forum.....many talk about wanting to go back to Poland. Don't give up.

Thats what I expect.....80-90 per cent will return.

Especially if they start families of their own....if they have family they love, they'll want their kids to be a part of their lives.

No more than 20-30% imo.

In relation to this. I have yet to meet anyone who is or has worked in the UK and then bought property here.

But I will say this. Twenty years ago there was a number of Polish people who went to work in the Middle East. These people had good jobs, made money. and bought property upon their return. These are the people running a number of businesses now. They don't need advice from young people returning from the UK. They have already seen it and done it.

The thing I agree with is that government policy is holding things up. But they believe that they have the country's interests at heart. They don't want to give the country away. An example of this is the fact that it is very difficult for foreigners to buy property in the countryside.

Are we still on topic ? Just checking.

Italians.......who left for USA over many decades........56% returned......they loved Italy just as much as your people do Poland....

Dont compare Italian and Polish markets. Ppl will not come back to 15% unemployment and 1000 zlotys a month.

Only in its infancy....give it a little more time......but the money, isn't the most important thing....this is a new genration...post 89....new ideas, new situation...new expectations...

Your students continue to surprise you Wroclaw?...perhaps your fellow countrymen will too....:)..!!!


I can compare whom I like ola......

It used to be 20%........things are getting better........why be so down...pessimistic....

Im just stating the facts.

Poland is still a very young democracy.....things don't change overnight.....give it time, things will change.

Me too.......to a degree.....plus going over other peoples expriences will give an idea of how things will turn out in Poland......

Just a thought. We have been talking about the influence of young Polish people who left the country in recent years. Since joining the EU. Am I right ?

In fact we all know that Polish people have been working in the UK, at least, for much longer. Where is the influence from these early travellers ? And might we be better off if those who went to America came home rather than those in the UK ?

You have to take into account that it was probably much harder for them to leave, so they are making their sacrifice worth their while, so to speak....just a thought.

Not sure W...but they were illegal...kept low profiles...didn't want to catch the eye of authorities...etc.....

Any returnee, who has learnt a language, picked up new working methods, made contacts, is more independent...is good for Poland....but that may not be immediately obvious..:)

True.