JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND

See, we've reached a satisfactory conclusion and now you can get back to Holocaust(tm) discussion :)

It's the same as any youth. My Scottish friend is coming to Kraków next summer with his buddies and I told him to respect the place as many Brits don't. I have very little respect for Brits who go abroad for parties and get overly rowdy.

Thankfully, we still have the situation where we are visiting another country and should acknowledge our status as guests there.

Seanus

Seanus, this is what I have been saying all along. When I am in another country, I behave myself, don't make a mess and try as much as I can to adhere to local customs and rules. In Poland I would do the same.

Sokrates

Some ppl understood this from my first answer, but maybe it was a little too much to be expected from you.

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M-G (never claimed anywhere that he condones any violence or racism)

Come on Sean, i've seen a Brit pissing in the fountain drunk as a bat but i yet have to see a Brit smear "NAZI" on the wall using his own crap like those little bastards do.

Exactly, even more so if you are in a land with strict cultural norms and enforcement thereof. I remember being jaded and walking on tatami in Japan. My friend was livid and, even though she understood that it was my first day and hadn't locked into the habit of taking them off, she lambasted me and told me not to repeat that.

However, any drinking was done responsibly in the park, harming no-one and respecting the rights and privacy of others around me.

Sokrates, look at the nature of their actions. When drunk, things like that happen and they temporarily lose their reasoning. Although I can't condone it, it happens. Spreading NAZI symbols is a different thing entirely but they are just victims of false teaching. However, the key theme is respect for others but you have to understand the indoctrination of the Jews. Fairness aside, they are just brainwashed and you can't blame them completely for being unquestioning. They are not questioning beings like us.

You know you might be right if it happend once, if it happened twice, but if it happens several hundred times or more (speaking about the nazi sh*t signs) then something is wrong.

If your citizens get a gun to their head or kicked to the ground by sober kids and their body guards and then you read stuff like in those instructions then there's a pattern here and those are no longer just drunken episodes of stupid kids.


No i dont, they come to my country they have a bloody duty fortified by law to behave like human beings, if their parents and government chooses to raise them as racist scum thats their problem not mine and ceirtanly not my countrys.


Yes Sean i can, i dont like Jews (enough reasons in this thread) but never in my life did i harm any Jew because he's Jewish and never will apparently those bastards in Israel cant do the same towards Poles, i can assume that either most Israeli youths are retarded and thus not responsible for what they're doing or that they're being raised as evil racist buggers.

In my opinion we should start arresting those f*ckers and keep them here in prison, after Moshe the little racist gets fvcked in the ass in the merry Polish prison Israel might smarten up about dumping those scum here in this fashion.

Of course sth is wrong, Sok. It's the brainwashing element and that is blatant. How come it is only common knowledge to the Jews that Polish concentration camps (cc's) existed? We all know of the Nazi ones but Polish? This is one case where the British press is more objective, or even has a very slight leaning towards the Jews. I learned about the Holocaust at school and not once did I hear of any Polish cc's. Unlike American press and teaching, British stuff is more impartial.

You are underestimating the power of indoctrination, Sok. Shame on you ;) ;)

I agree but why doesn't the Polish govt take a stand? When I see the IDF attack Palestinians on their own land, my blood boils. Those that throw stones at those law-abiding mothers and kids should be beaten to a pulp. I was beaten as a kid for MUCH less. In the name of discipline no less, hehehe.

No i dont but its happening on an official level but with public conceit, Jews are educated people they should know better.

I gave you an example i dont like Jews but i still perceive them as human beings, bloody annoying human beings in general but people like me non the less, somehow i did not choose to become a neonazi or a skinhead, so indoctrination or not, its always a conscious choice in the end.


And why doesnt Polish govt have a strategy for rapid economical development or international strategy for building a place in EU or a strategy to deal with USA?

Because its sh*t.

But you know that well enough, you live here.

My bad, I've been guilty of generalising but you always do it, Sok. Clearly, not all Jews are well-versed in manners. How many Jews died compared to the number of Poles, Sok? They are irate and they see Poland as having played a part in their extermination. Many of us have been suckered in by propaganda and distortion. For example, I believed the Serbs were bad, that 9/11 was carried out by a man in a cave and that Russia started the war in Georgia. How time changed that!!! I have reversed all 3 now.

Well, Tusk has Jewish leanings so I am not holding my breath that he will take any kind of stand on the issue.

Sean i'm not versed in manners, my lack of manners shows by calling Maregea an idiot, not by smearing crap or kicking peoples arse because they're of some specific nationality.


Did Poland play a part in their extermination? No it did not.

What else is their to say? We lost entire cities Sean, much of a millenium long heritage but you dont see us doing in Berlin what the Jews do in Warsaw, especially since Poles as a

nation are nothing like the Israelis attempt to portray us.

Its not about indoctrination, its what you do with it, i could not care less if Jews believed we are the devil but the moment these vile fvcks assault our citizens and destroy our property a line has to be crossed.

You're calling for understanding but to what end? Are we supposed to pat those buggers on the head the next time they wave a gun at someone in Kraków?

Sok, you won't get a more sterner critic of 'guilty by association' than I. I hate that sb can be blamed for the apparent omissions of their predecessors.

Enforcement is for the Polish authorities. The vile segment of Jewish youth are the constant and you are the faultering variable.

Well on a lighter note a question in semantics, Maregaea claims he's Jewish, if we'd kill him that would that be a Holocaust or because we kill just him a ... i dunno a Minicaust?


Except that our predecessors didnt commit anything they're accused of.

Which is why I included the word 'apparent', Sok. They make out that there were Polish cc's everywhere. However, there is insufficient verified documentation on this point.

You're welcome to try. Just don't claim that I'm anti-Polish if I win.

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Nonsense. They may not have been committing everything they were accused of, but some parts certainly happened. Just like everywhere. Or have we come to the same old point again that Poles did nothing and it's the big bad world outside that did everything to the Poles? Even you cannot be so blind.

And how about this: when Rudolf Vrba escaped from Auschwitz, he did so on his own, together with Alfred Wetzler. Two weeks later he produced the Vrba-Wetzler report, the first report about Auschwitz, Holocaust etc that was taken seriously by the Allies. Let me quote from Wiki:


Just wondering?

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M-G (6 ft 4")

No the key word is that they were not commiting crimes as a nation, some Poles were helping, others were getting in the way, most were just trying to survive.

The Israeli claim implies that Poles were not collaborators but as a nation active participants of holocaust, that Poland as a country bears responsibility for what happened to Jews in WW2.

Both of the above are of course a steaming pile of horsecrap, no one is arguing there were Poles guilty of crimes on Jews just like there were Jews guilty of crimes on Poles but Lord knows as a country we do not deserve the kind of slander Israel dishes out.

Note the difference, in Poland anti-semitism is confined to fringe groups and an odd wackos, in Israel anti-Polonism is being practiced by the state and a large part of society.

Amusingly enough you questioned the honesty a Jewish professor from Israel who's a living proof that there's still decent people among israeli Jews, no matter how rare in that he opposes the disgusting policies targetted at Poles.

I didn't question him. His is just one view of many. Once you take all views into account, you can make a balanced claim.

I don't know why there is an atmosphere against PL and the Poles being created by Israeli schools. But as I understood the government is taking action against this. My main hunch would be that the Kielce pogrom is mainly responsible for this. It is at least responsible for the view (in the West) that Poles are anti-semitic (and of course, it was a very clumsy timing there), so there is a good chance that this goes for the view on PL and the Poles within Israël. But I don't believe that Israël is a breeding machine of hatred towards Poles and PL, that is a gross exaggeration. This works both ways. Just like not every Pole was a hero, not every Israeli hates PL. And I still believe that the smearing of swastikas are drunken incidents, not general rule.

Just to retouch on the fact that I am supposed to be anti-Polish. I am not anti-Polish at all, I have many Polish friends in Dublin and if we're going to take incidents as general rule, then I can say that I don't like the Polish buggers that vomit frequently drunken on my doorstep. I know they are Polish, because I catch them every time and every time they were cursing and swearing in Polish at me when I kicked their *ss. Yes - I hate those bastards yes. But I do not hate Poland, nor do I hate the Polish in general. I don't think in groups, I think in individuals. If you would have followed my posts, you would've known this.

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M-G (and now it's time to close this thread)

Have you heard about Jan Karski?
His reports, about 2 years before Vrba's, were taken seriously too, but no one in the West cared.

Anyone who DOESN'T think Israel, as a race, and especially as a religion, is not hatefully racist in its dealings, lives in ignorance.

Here's some fact-based reading:

revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

You know how I know it's based in fact? Because I own the entire Talmud. It is almost entirely vile, putrid, mindless, aimless, meaningless, GOD-less drivel, that makes the insane ramblings of the Quran seem downright logical by comparison. Both are the products of corrupt, defiled, reprobate minds,....and anyone with the slightest bit of discernment can see this if they actually bothered to ever read. I dare any who doubts any of this stuff is real to go see for themselves. The Talmud is considered Judaism's "Most Holy Book" even above Torah (Jewish version of the Pentateuch). For them to even say such a thing is a horrible blasphemy in itself.

It is for these reasons that Jesus was harshest towards the Pharisees (old skool "teachers" of Jewish "Law") and why it is written of them:

"The Lord says:
"These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men.

Therefore once more I will astound these people
with wonder upon wonder;
the wisdom of the wise will perish,
the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Woe to those who go to great depths
to hide their plans from the LORD,
who do their work in darkness and think,
"Who sees us? Who will know?"

You turn things upside down,
as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to him who formed it,
"He did not make me"?
Can the pot say of the potter,
"He knows nothing"?" Isaiah 29:13-16

This scripture is repeated in the New Testament by Jesus, pertaining to the Pharisees, against whom it was written: Matthew 15:9, Mark 7:7

It is because of the outright racism of Judaism (Gentiles are considered as animals,...and put together are "not worth one Jewish fingernail" ~ Rabbi Yaacov Perin) the racism is taught to them from a young age. It is a wonder of the human spirit that they do not treat Polish property worse than they have. And as to Israel itself, thousands of IDF troops are defecting because they hate what Israel has become. Look into it.

Last I was to Poland was in 2000,...and while visiting Auschwitz, I learned from Poles about the unruly Jewish Youth,...who would even treat with contempt and irreverence the death sites themselves. According to the director of the tours,...this was an ongoing problem, and she could not understand such irreverence for the millions of Jews killed there (this was in private conversation, not part of the tour, and not intended to be anti-Semitic, but only factual)

I do not hate Jews. I love Jews (but am angry at the ones who disgrace their people). Jesus is a Jew! But it is because Israel does NOT follow God's Law,...and have fallen away for thousands of years,...that they are reprobate in their mindset,...and it shows in all areas of Jewish "culture". Jesus wept for Jerusalem, and said:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." Luke 13:34-35

Jesus was prophesying the fall of Jerusalem by Titus in 70 AD. The siege, recorded by the historian Josephus,...was horrible and gruesome beyond compare.

Well we've taken all views into account, everyone claims Jews are racist and Israel failed to produce any real responce.


I do.

There's several reasons but ultimately original Jewish citizens of Poland were pyssed off no one cared about them, Poland was in ruins, every family affected and there was this not totally unbased view that Jews had a part in it (on the Russian side) so no one really gave a particular crap about them and thats what pissed off the original Israelis.

"We lived in Poland for centuries and now that we're gone they just keep going like they always did, no mourning, no nothing, how dare they!"

Then Jews went into the communist party and when the winds changed everyone cheered when the govt kicked them out since they were in the commie party, this got the snowball running and today we are officially in a friendly relation with a state that raises its kids to believe Poles are a piece of sh*t and does so officially.


But it is a general rule for Israeli youth in Poland, of course its not every trip and not every kid but it happens dozens of times across Poland each year, the motivations for that are clearly racist and anti-Polish and the scope of it is very large.


Sorry buddy i dont like Jews in general and i hate Israel, i dont like Jews because they slander my country and treat my countrymen like pieces of turd and i hate Israel because its built by stealing/murdering the locals, does that make me an unreasonable anti-semit?

Bingo. It is a little-know, but true fact, that Jews were, and ARE BIG in communism. Who will tell, or acknowlege the systematic starvation of the Christian Ukraine, at the hands of (Jewish) communists? "Never forget" right, we never should forget "THE Holocaust" but tell me this,...of all the oppression and murder done in the WW2 era,...(high numbers done by the hands of Jewish Bolsheviks) how come the only one you CONSTANTLY hear about is the Jewish Holocaust,...and in fact they call it "THE" Holocaust? Like a trademark?

Here's something else,...the Jews in Hitler's Europe were looking for ways out,...Hitler even wanted to send them away alive (this is why it was called "The Final Solution") American Jews and other European Jews told them NOT to send them to us! So they were slaughtered like cattle. No,...much worse that cattle,...cattle is treated with much more dignity. Jews sold out their own people because they did not want them in the lands they now called home. There is as much Jewish blood on Jewish hands, as there is on German. I know of Jews who were IN the Holocaust,...and got monetary reparations for it (I agree they should get at least that),...and guess who pocketed MOST of the "take"? Their "Jewish" lawyers who never had to taste he pain, the suffering,... the same ones who will sell them out at the drop of a hat. Many Jews profiteer from Holocaust-related themes. It is disturbing.

I own a copy of "Mein Kampf". That doesn't make it fact-based.


The Final Solution was not mentioned before January 1942 and comprised of the massive killing of the Jews in Europe, i.e. the building of extermination camps. Hitler thought of sending them to Madagaskar before that, but that was just a thought. Jews fled and were nowhere welcome. Ships toiled the sea for months and finally had to head back home to German harbours. There is no proof whatsoever that the American or other European Jews made dealings with Hitler as far as not sending them over. They did get refused though, but that was mainly based on the fact that back then Germany was not at war with them yet and they didn't want to upset a "friendly" nation. Many KZ's in Western countries were built by those countries themselves, meant as collection camps for Jewish refugees before sending them back as not to insult that same "friendly" nation. Jewish organisations didn't act because they feared confrontation with the refugees with questions as to why they did nothing. Reason why you hear about the attempt to wipe out the Jews as a ppl in whole is because it's an international thing, all countries in Europe were affected.

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M-G (tiens)


jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm

But of course Polish culture does not have any negative term for Jews. They're like harmless sheep, are they?

Have a look what Sraya Shapiro says about the Polish attitude towards Jews:


So don't tell me that it's just because some of them joined the Communist Party. Some did, indeed, but the vast majority of members in ANY Communist Party of the world consisted of locals, not Jews.

For your consideration.

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M-G (tiens)

No, it doesn't. But that fact that Hoffman's site has Talmud passages, which demonstrate how depraved and evil the Talmud's teachings really are, and I have the Talmud, and was able myself to look up and confirm that these passages are real, and in no way are misrepresented,...THAT is what makes it "fact-based".

If you were to state me a passage from Mein Kampf, verbatim,...and I owned Mein Kampf (I actually don't) and was then able to look up and confirm that it exists as-stated,...then your statement of the passage being in Mein Kampf,...would be a fact.

Gunslinger44

It's a difference if you go look for "bad" passages or passages that give way to multiple interpretation or passages to confirm a prejudice, or if you really look neutral at it. If you look at all holy books in a neutral way, you will find that all of them contain passages that could be interpreted as hateful, or vile.

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M-G (coffee)

There are documents of correspondence between American Jewish groups and leaders of those under Nazi control. The Jews themselves did not want their own "over-running" the nations they made their home. They did not deal with Hitler direct, so far as I know, but this was years ago I read about this stuff,...and honestly it is a lot of information.

They did not get refused so as "not to upset a friendly nation". How would it "upset" Hitler, to be rid of the very people he had so desperately been TRYING to get rid of? That's not even a cop-out,...it plain don't make no sense. They wanted out because Hitler was tooling up to get rid of them in whatever way, and the Jewish leaders knew this, on both sides of the Atlantic. The Western Jews refused to help their own in deadly peril,...therefore the blood-guilt is also upon their own heads.

I would advice anybody who is interested in the Polish view on Jews, to read "The Image Of The Jew in Polish Folk Culture" by Alina Cała, a Polish scientist who, in the footsteps of Herz researched the attitude of Poles towards Jews. It's widely available in online-bookstores and there is an English version of it as well. It just gives an insight, albeit slight, on how Poles looked upon Jews. It might open ppl's eyes, and I mean the eyes of ppl who keep maintaining the opinion that Poles were always good to Jews, were heroic in the saving of Jews during the Holocaust and those who still maintain the opinion about Jews their forefathers had already. It will open their eyes as it's written by a Polish scientist who based her research on many, many interviews, literature-research among other methods. After hearing all the time how Jews are evil, bad and eventually brought the Holocaust upon themselves, it's time for a more refreshing look and based on this side of the story get a more balanced look at things. But I doubt those who still claim this latter opinion, will read it.

PS: it might sometimes be a bit disturbing for those who always thought the Poles were saints.

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M-G (tiens)

"Some"? That is a heinous misrepresentation of the truth. Hoffman compiled a list (I don't know who's site it is, or their beliefs,...but Hoffman's research is entirely truthful and accurate to anyone who knows how to look for such info: jewwatch.com/jew-communists.html#anchor4458

My,...that's quite a lot of Jewish Communists,...isn't it...

To say that "maybe there's something to..." the concept that there at least "were" Bolshevik Jewish groups out to murder Christians en-masse,...would be a bold understatement.

Do you see how many Jews Stalin had working for him,...in various, specifically anti-Christian murderous capacities? But don't take Hoffman's word for it if you don't want to,...go do the research yourself.

Like I said, I love Jews. But Juda-ISM is nothing but evil, all the time. Ever look into Kabbalah? Ever read the Talmud, even just a little bit? Jews of Judaism are enemies of God, God even says so Himself! Just read through the prophets (all the books between Song of Songs, and Matthew) they were turning away,...to dark magic, to idols,...to their own "laws" which they put ABOVE God's Holy Law,...as is still the case today. The smart Jews turn to Christianity,...the REAL Israel. The foolish, wicked Jews, continue in their filth,...and keep suffering for it,...but instead of returning to God in repentance,...they become yet more rebellious!

Jewwatch is a known anti-semite site. Even the name doesn't conceal its true intentions. Therefore I don't take any of its contents serious as it always turns out in the same direction. Any serious researcher should never base his entire conclusions on this very site alone. Michael A. Hoffman II is a known Holocaust denier and the fact that he writes negatively about Judaism and the Talmud is not surprising - he doubts that there were gaschambers in Auschwitz, whereas there are pictures and an overwhelming proof that there were. Now, you tell me, do I have to take a guy like that seriously? All his conclusions always point in one direction, he never even bothers to research the other side of things. In my view as historian, this disqualifies him as a reliable and serious source.

Edit: therefore it doesn't surprise me that he comes up with a huge "list" of Jews who were supposedly be a member of the Communist Party.

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M-G (tiens)

So did the Polish authorities, the list is accurate and does cover the historical one.

You can't be serious. The filth this Jewess writes is solely for the consumption of polonophobes. I might add that she writes this drivel while being supported by Polish taxpayers.

I have read her articles in the Polish press and in comparison to her Jan Gross is a polonophile.

M-G, I found the qoute you gave about shiksas most amusing. I'm surprised you didn't find one that says it is an endeering term. :)

Tell me, should I take a website like jewwatch serious too? Or a Holocaust denier like Michael A Hoffman II? They produce even more drivel and yet loads of posters here present this site as reliable source.

Sokrates

Can you provide a link to the official list, then?

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M-G (every spectrum has two sides and the truth is as usual in the middle)