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Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
19 Jun 2007 /  #61
re: there is nobody in there who is actually mad like Giertych or Lepper

- So Giertych and Lepper are mad? Please give pertinent facts. Do you suggest that their alleged 'madness' is responsible for the fact that Poland is allegedly doing economically worse than the Czech Republic? If yes, explain, giving specific facts.

As I understand, zion and others seem to be convinced that Poles' alleged being overly concerned with the past than the future is responsible for our alleged worse economical performance than the Czechs. How would it be responsible? Please explain giving specific facts.

Isn't it the reason that the Czechs and some others from the former commie camp are doing economically better than Poland because at a certain point they got more foreign investment than Poland did?

And if they got more of the foreign investment than the Poles did, the question pops up: why?

On what grounds was the decision made to invest more with them than with us?

Were these grounds purely economical, or perhaps some others?
:)

Kruk, in what way the present Polish government 'seems to do everything to keep Poland backward and behind'? Please give specific facts.

So you think that the main obstacle to Poland's progress is 'old Soviet Bureaucracy in a modern world,' and you suggest that the Kaczynski government ought to 'kick out all the old unhelpful clerks' and then 'Poland will soar'?

Now hasn't the Kaczynski government been doing exactly the thing you advocate: exposing and getting rid of the ex-communists in the politics, military, police, etc.?

And isn't the purge the reason for the Kaczynskis' being fiercely slammed by the commiefascist media psychopaths throughout Europe? Note the coverage the Kaczynskis get e.g. in the commiefascist La Reppublica rag in Italy.

:)
TheKruk 3 | 308  
19 Jun 2007 /  #62
Puzzler check out any website that lists the ease of doing business in a specific country.
Try to open your own business in poland and see how long it takes you, compared to another country. See what your taxes, and ZUS are compared to other countries last I heard it was the fourth highest in the industrialized world (its called a tax "wedge")

The clerks I mean to kick out are the people who work in Government offices now who start a telephone conversation with a friend instead of helping the person in line, or going on break with people waiting on line. They should realize its their job to help you.

I simply think Poland needs a complete restructuring of how they operate.
And Giertych is crazy.
zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #63
I agree 100 % your reply say it all .
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
19 Jun 2007 /  #64
re: Czechs were always pro-German and Austrian

- Not true at the least. Have you ever read The Good Soldier Schweik by Jaroslav Hasek? The greatest anti-German, anti-Austrian and anti-Hapsburg satire ever.

And way the funniest book I've ever read. Such Catch 22 is pathetic compared to Hasek's brilliant novel.

The Czechs did not put out fight in 1938 because they were too weak to do that, and they were left alone by the rest of Europe, including us, Poles. It's a monstrous disgrace the way they were treated. And during WWII they showed great bravery fighting the Germans in their own country and abroad, e.g. in the Battle of Britain.

A small but great European nation - a nation with guts.
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196  
19 Jun 2007 /  #65
Yes, the Czechs suffered much from Germans. They were brutally treated badly by Nazis for killing Reinhard Heydrich. Whole village was killed as revenge.
ukpolska  
19 Jun 2007 /  #66
Migrant workers 'help UK economy'

Seems like the fears that Migrant workers in the UK will take from the UK economy are unfounded so far, and they are in fact making a substantial contribution to Britain's economy according to this article.

Nice to hear some positive news for a change eh guys
:-)
zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #67
is no news that they help to improve the Ecomony in the UK what they dont help in the ecomony in Poland and dotn tell me they send the money here bla bla bla Poland need then here !!! to help Polish Economy
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
19 Jun 2007 /  #68
Of course they do. The world powers like the USA, the UK, France etc. wouldn't be where they are without cheap, silent, foreign workforce.
stepheng - | 49  
19 Jun 2007 /  #69
Not everyone who comes over here to the UK to work will want to stay here forever though. Those people who return to Poland will be bringing back experience and knowledge gained in the UK to help the Polish Economy.
ukpolska  
19 Jun 2007 /  #70
I really don't understand the negative points here, too many times so-called English people posters like -uk try to put down Polish people by saying that they take! take! take! from the UK economy and when there are positive things to say about Polish people in the UK all they do is moan and try and find another angle.

Come on guys, negativity causes too many problems in the world today try positivity for a change or is it a case of Polish mentality? My wife who is Polish, told me that when you ask a Polish man how he is his reply is, "could be better" whereas if you ask a person from the west how they are they answer, "great thanks". Makes you think eh!

Try reading this post as well https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/news/poland-growth-fastest-years-10568/
zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #71
“could be better

and it will be but only if the Polish man stay in Poland

Not everyone who comes over here to the UK to work will want to stay here forever

most will do I read on the BBC web site another day too bad I dont have the link here to post but if you search you will find the many great number will not come back are not coming back other way around more are still leaving everyday . the only place on earth that had more around 1 million people leaving ther home land was Iraq there also 1 million people had left . so is not good that the Polish workers are helping the UK economy they need to help Polish economy what is the worst shape then the UK one . But I guess the thing in Poland now is everymen for himself .
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319  
19 Jun 2007 /  #72
and it will be but only if the Polish man stay in Poland

What, so that they be unemployed? Instead they are overseas sending back 4billion euro's a year and contributing 5% of Polands GDP. They account for a large part of Polands growth.

They you would know this because you are an economist (ha, ha, ha).
zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #73
so that they be unemployed

they will not they are there becouse they are greed mother fcuks that prefer to clean toilets for few bucks more !!! they can work here at the same tescos that they work there !!!! dont why dont you stop. you are not even here you dont live here you dont know !!!!!!!!
TheKruk 3 | 308  
19 Jun 2007 /  #74
Have you ever read The Good Soldier Schweik by Jaroslav Hasek? The greatest anti-German, anti-Austrian and anti-Hapsburg satire ever.

Thats so crazy I am in the middle of it right now hilarious genius that Hasek!

And people will always say the immigrants only take take take its propaganda.
New blood makes countries stronger smarter and more tolerant.
witek 1 | 587  
19 Jun 2007 /  #75
The Czechs did not put out fight in 1938 because they were too weak to do that, and they were left alone by the rest of Europe

czechs "pepiczki" have always been cowards
zion  
20 Jun 2007 /  #76
Poles always have been weak . control by Russians , germans then russians and now the EU always under outsite control!!!!!!!!!!!!
JamesLondon 1 | 26  
20 Jun 2007 /  #77
Witek..people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

My dear fellow, how could you possibly criticise other countries when the Poles haven't exactly covered themselves in glory either for the past couple of hundred years...!!
ukinpoland 5 | 338  
20 Jun 2007 /  #78
I dont think you can accuse the Poles of being cowards. They have always stood up for what they believed in.

Just ask Tinky-Winky.
zion  
20 Jun 2007 /  #79
dont think you can accuse the Poles of being cowards

they are not cowards they are just weak
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319  
20 Jun 2007 /  #80
Really? Lets see.. defeated the Russian Army in 1920. 1939 fought the Germany army for longer than the combined British and French Army's did in 1940. And they were fighting the Soviets at the same time. They shot down a quarter of the German airforce.
JamesLondon 1 | 26  
20 Jun 2007 /  #81
MrPeterweg, don't miss the wood for the trees...;-)
Daisy 3 | 1,225  
20 Jun 2007 /  #82
They shot down a quarter of the German airforce.

my dad told me that Polish pilots would fly out in conditions British pilots wouldn't, thick fog and really bad weather
zion  
20 Jun 2007 /  #83
Really? Lets see.. defeated the Russian Army in 1920.
1939 fought the Germany army for longer than the combined British and French Army's did in 1940. And they were fighting the Soviets at the same time. They shot down a quarter of the German airforce.

all did not matter Germany blow the the all place anyway and took over for years . and now germany still a super power and Poland still a cheap labour exporter country .

defeated the Russian Army in 1920

Poland was under russian control for 40 years . but did not defeated in 1945 !!!!!!!!

so wich countries are more , important today and in History and richers and more powerful yes Russia and Germany!!!!!! Poland still Lost in the middle !!!!! let face the true folks .
JamesLondon 1 | 26  
20 Jun 2007 /  #84
my dad told me that Polish pilots would fly out in conditions British pilots wouldn't, thick fog and really bad weather

Daisy, setting aside our differences for a while (we can talk about the peroxide later..;-)), you may be interested in this website.

It has the names of all the poles who were fought in the Battle of Britian, part of "the Few"....

battleofbritain.net/bobhsoc/

England owes a debt of honour to these brave souls.

they will not they are there becouse they are greed mother fcuks that prefer to clean toilets for few bucks more !!!

Zion, my dear fellow, just what is your problem? Poles are going abroad for several reasons...Better money, better opportunities, to send money to their family etc.

You seem to an extremely frustrated fellow...would you care to isolate your main "problem" for all our benfit?

are `t you the 40 years old bloke with the 20 years old Polish girl !!!!

And your point being...??? Are you annoyed because Peterweg managed to attarct a younger woman? Our loss, but we will survive; there are plenty of fish in the sea...;-)
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
20 Jun 2007 /  #85
My dear fellow, how could you possibly criticise other countries when the Poles haven't exactly covered themselves in glory either for the past couple of hundred years...!!

In the past couple of hundred years as you say we did regain our independence TWICE!!! That's a damn thing to be proud of. Not to mention that we stopped the communist march in the 1920's. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War) Please don't voice your opinion in topics that you clearly know nothing of.
zion  
20 Jun 2007 /  #86
we stopped the communist march in the 1920's

and then they were Comunist for 40 years !!!!!!!!! meaning they did stop anything !!!!!!!!!!

I got no problem James is time to tell this Poles what ther country really is all about and is not all about much ! is a nation of Poor people , toilet cleners , fruit pickers that what is it .
UKGUY 3 | 87  
3 Nov 2007 /  #87
I wouldn't say poles are "a nation of toilet cleaners" etc. They have good eduction, the problem is they get the rubbish low paid jobs, becuase thats mainly where the work is. We have a massive and I mean MASSIVE population in the UK (far beyound what it needs) and there is not the great demand for skilled, but lots of unskilled low paid jobs that the British cannott aford to do or want to do. So the POles get them. Makes me wonder how long it will be before Poles refuse to be the under-dogs. For example they pay high rent a low pay: just too much of an exploit and the Poles would be more dignified in their own country of origin. The Czechs won't put up with such cr-ap jobs.

Having said that, they are welcome to stay in London where there are ample jobs for all.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
15 Nov 2007 /  #88
The Czechs won't put up with such cr-ap jobs.

- Stereotyping again, Romanian expert on Poles in UK? How many times have we proven your statements to be wrong? As for the Poles in UK doing low-paid jobs, and why, it's simple: they want to quickly and easily make as much as they can and get the hell back to their own beautiful country. That's why they're not competing for better jobs, nor most probably will they in the future. You wrote once you know well the Poles in UK, or something of this sort. In reality, you've been proving over and over again you know $hoot, and you are actually prejudiced against us. How do you know the Czechs won't take the crappy jobs? Are you some kind of psychic? Have you spoken to all of them? As for me, I've met Czechs and Slovaks working on those crappy jobs (in fact, some of them worked quite crappily). I wonder why you're clinging to this forum instead of to a Romanian, or even, ahem, Czech one, if we're such nogoods?
jareck8  
16 Nov 2007 /  #89
enjoy the success.. there is more to come.. economy will continue to grow.. i just hope our children focus on education
Oarman  
17 Nov 2007 /  #90
I want to say just one thing. I live in Poland and I laugh like hell, when I see foreigners on the first trip to Poland. Their eyes are getting bigger and bigger and their jaws drop on the floor, when they see how much Poland is different from what they been told. This is priceless!

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