Poland 2007 Elections: PO Won, PIS second

Poland's centre-right opposition party Civic Platform has scored a crushing victory in the country's general election, ending the turbulent two-year reign of Poland's Kaczynski twins.

"crucial laws" telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/22/wpoland222.xml

and it doesnt get much more important than crucial


this is poland today - and lets be clear that 'the west' is not forcing their values on poland, poland is clamoring to get whatever they can...

noe if wege to axe me tak, imboared:)

actua;;y paul wfowitz is part of an organisation that says we will make the whole world like us... check ot out...

through tv, music, radio people r being forced to lear about the great americans....

its half and half.... poland for many many years has kept close to its religios spritualitty... this will continue..

Certainly, it doesn't get any crucial than crucial. :) But you have to agree that the term "crucial" does sound a little bit enigmatic... but OK, have it your way.

Just as a side note, I would like to add that the UK not only threatened, but actually did veto a new EU law in the past, the last time being during the mad cow issue. Plus, if by crucial laws you mean the European constitution, than it's also worth saying that while Poland disagreed with one point in it, UK disagreed with four of them. Still, I do agree that Kaczyński's hard-line politics and his "die for the square root voting system", "die for whatever else" attitude was very.... eghmmm.. unfortunate one. :)

Wow, i didn't think a change of government could do that...PLEASE !!! Stop telling these kind of crap ;)

great level of intelligence you have, education is a key, this new govenrment has educated the public on serious issues, which are connected to how to live your lives,, short term beenfits long term losses that is the name of the game.. .this goveenrment is workign hard to educate us and explain what is right and what is not... its hard to realise but there are certain laws in the world and if you follwo them its good for you if u dont then its not... now come on lets hear you rebel... think my friend use your gifts wisely

Thanks...

Why do you think this government would be bad for Poland ? Nohing is perfect, but there are a lot of points very interesting in their program, and i'd really like to see what's gonna happen ;)

i ilike the new boys but we didnt give justice party a chance... the communists damaged the nation and hence the effect is high unemployment rate but now polish companies are doing well business is improving and it will take time, trade with asian nations is on the rise and generally the mood is changing,, but lets see what happens

Agree ;)

we gave them a chance and they caused shame and embarassment to many Poles. Say what you want, but any party who openly supoported the public financing of a very expensive and elaborate super-church (Swiątynia Bożej Opaczności)while the highways are falling apart (and new ones not being built) deserves to lose an election.


Woe to the nation that neglects its infrastructure and doesn't extend its third-world highway network...


some may beg to differ. having cordial and business-like relations with a neighbour (despite a bad past) is good politics, not licking ass. unlike some, who lick the ass of the US so shamelessly that we look like either grovelling fools or awestruck cooing babies who drool at the sight of a fancy fighter plane..

dont forget about the money in hospitals and education... well anyway woe to the nation that spends money on buying guns and bombs and cannot even control gun crime and drugs in its own country... fair enough they built a church but other places build thngs like casinos, night clubs, millenium dome,,,, atleast the justc put some money where it needed to go... they were strict on corruption... the communists spoilt the country it will obvessly take time to sort it out... well anyway they can work with tusk he's not to far away from what they r thinkin...

As predicted, about 80% of Poles in the US voted for PIS; about 80% of Poles in the UK voted for PO. That's interesting. I wonder if the immigration to the UK will stop soon and how many Poles would actually come back to Poland.

it shows that even if we are abroad we still are happy to identify ourselves with what makes us polish

Me too... and I don't even drink. lol.

At last, Poland tells the twins to PiS off. :)

Now, when do we get the chance to do the same to Bliar and Brown...

It's predictable-the Polish community (and I have known many of them personally) in the States is old-fashioned and anachronistic. That is the stereotype of the PiS electorate...

What did PiS offer to PL Americans? Why would 80% vote PiS?

you will axctually be surprised when there are local meetings, i know in lublin there is support and gdansk not sure about the other places - but yes when somebody sticks to their ideology they are called 'old fashioned'.. maybe thats what will happen to the american thinking in 30 years time.. treating people unfairly will be old fashioned!

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is this a reference to the USA or Poland? there are few guns here in Poland and no more drugs than any other industrialised country...

I would agrue with that. It is said for PO voted mostly "young and educated" people. But "young" is not "wise" at the same time. Wise comes with experience, not education.

I predict soon there will appear articles in the media entitled like "Tusk, you deceived us. I won't come back to Poland to work for 500 Euros a month."

And the saddest thing out of it will show the lowest election participation on the next elections - people will be so disappointed that it's not possible to do "the next Ireland" overnight that they will ignore the next elections for many years to come.

its safe to say that they are a little "out of touch" with the current reality...Polish Americans think that schoolgirls in Poland still curtsey when meeting strangers and that Pewex shops are still in business....?


true that. u got a point there.


unfortunately people are impatient animals who want it quick and easy...

It offered a hope for Poland that they would want to come back to in the future. Polonia from the UK cannot be compared to Polonia from the US - because Poles from UK may be home onece a month or twice a week and they actually feel close to home.

Radical changing of something that was started 2 years ago by PIS is like changing a president every 2 years - can you imagine that? It only creates chaos and nothing can be completed. Not to mention political fights about which party did what and when are the results etc.

In my opinion Polish /Americans have been away from the homeland longer than Polish/Brits.
Therefore, they might include some of the older generation who are stuck in the past. Or are so far away that they have lost sight of the Polish reality.

If I am right. Many of those Polish/Americans will never come back to Poland, yet they have the right to vote on my children's future.

If I had my way anyone who has been out of the country for more than four or five years should lose the right to vote.

;(
I usually vote in the country I live in, if that's what you mean. So, if I live in Poland, I vote in Poland etc....

I don't have a problem with expats who vote in elections, if they are coming back in the near future. I just don't want people to vote, if they have been away for a certain ammount of time or are not coming back at all.

You contradict yourself and miss the point. I don't think Poles who actually are not going to come back to Poland even care to vote - do you think they would take their time to register, stay in lines and lose a weekend day to do that for the sake of doing that? No - only those who HOPE to come back to Poland (now on on their retirement) voted. And their votes are in the hopes for a better Poland for them and their children too.

I made the point because I was hoping someone would clarify for me how Polish/Americans vote.
Now that you have helped me to understand better. I would like to take up this point.


These are the people who are voting on a future, based on their distant past. That is why 80% might have voted for PiS and not PO.

So it is now said that it was the Tusk-Kaczynski debates that actually let win PO. Before the debates most (if not all) polls showed PIS win.

If two TV shows are enough for people to change their mind, living in the country to be allowed to vote isn't a good argumentation. Especially the shows were available live on the Internet or on sat TV.

there is a possibility, but remember we have only had command economies, communist govts.... now we have free market fdi is at its all high trade with practically all nations from us, brazil to pakistan... wages will increase.. there is qulaity in poland and we will see it in practise now with lech and tusk

You mean in Poland ?

I have serious problems with polls. But I do take your point.

Are you having a laugh?

Christianity has nothing at all to do with politics, and the catholic church is 600 years out of date,
Useful in communism - but the church have tried hard with their interfering ways to make normal people hate them with a passion.

My post refers to the above by the way LOL. I guess you were on a wind up - congratulations. I fell for it :)