What if Poland has decided to withdraw from the European Union?

Thank you for the reply. For what it is worth I agree with you. Nations should be sovereign; forcing nations into one homogeneous mass is wrong.

What is it with the progressives? One one hand that champion diversity when it comes to race but eschew it when it comes to nationalism.

The direction of Poland should be for the people of Poland to decide.

Nationalism and peace are not mutually exclusive.

Yes,because you are an unimportant member of the EU which may gain importance some day but to let it happen there have to be some changes first.


Yes,because they give you the money under the condition that you get bound by these agreements.If you refuse the laws,you get no money or you get penalties.

We don't need the EU to have common trade and travel zone in Europe. The EU provide just its useless bureaucratic institutions.


Unfortunately they are doing a lot and this is exactly the problem. If they would stop and local politicians follow such trend then problem with unemployment would automatically disappear.


What changes? Especially if everything is manipulated from Brussels? They want to create federal state where only central government would have something to say. Brussels bureaucracy grow and grow by taking more and more competences of national states.

Does this thread title mean 'so what?' or should it be 'What if Poland decides to withdraw from the European Union?'?

Yes, our country would shatter without the butt pirates! Think of the headlines!

Perhaps it wouldn't be regarded as such but I am almost certain that it would cause quite a stir in the EU simply because Poland is one of the biggest countries in the EU and the biggest new member.

I can imagine all sorts of trouble for EU and for Poland. Nothing I would like to see.

There is no point in this kind of speculation, is there?

if serious, Polish elite must be ready for every situation

you can’t close your eyes on mega trends of EU politics, which is in its essence- imperial and anti-Slavic

go on some Germanic forum and see what people talk. For them, EU would serve their interests or there won’t be EU. What is Polish attitude? to follow politics of EU, at all costs? Think about it

Agreed.


I wouldn't call EU imperialistic or anti-Slavic but I tend to agree with skeptics. Recently voters in Ireland, France and Holland have shown that EU is completely detached from ordinary people.

well, at least


you wouldn`t?

but, as serious, at least, consider it as possibility and analize options to prevent consequences of such an EU politics

I don`t think so. The current Polish political elite, both from the ruling party and the opposition, know very well that the majority of Poles, without a few percent probably, support the Union. This support will continue for years, because thanks to European funds, know-how, investment and law Poland has been modernising quickly in recent years, the economic growth is 6% and the unemplyment has dropped.


It`s a bit hysterical statement. If the Union was anti-slavic, would so many Slavic countries have joined it? Poland, Lithuania, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Bulgaria...


Every nations has the right to promote its own development and economic success. Germany isn` t an exception, other countries are the same, Poland too. Who prevents Poles from achieving better results in Union than Germans??? Just because Germans work hard to develop their country, Poland should leave the Union?

I don`t think most Poles would like Poland to leave the Union. The advantages visibly exceed shortcomings....

FOund just today, an article from

polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=85885

Poland most aided new EU state

Poland received two billion Euros from Brussels more in 2007 than in the previous year.

Poland's total aid was 5 billion euros net from the EU budget last year, more than any other EU new member state.

Google:
"new world order"
for the answer, including quotes.


That might seem a lot, but that is just a drop compared to the whole national budget. Polands debt, just the debt, in 2007, it grew by another 45 billion zloty ($18 billion). Thats already after EU contribution.

Total Poland's public debt has already exceeded 500 billion zloty.

Pawian, try telling that to Puzzy. He won't believe u

Poland's public debt is probably 3 times that MyPolonia

my brate

when Poland becomes target of another partition, you would be also hysterical

Every year the Polish national budget contains planned deficit of about 7 billion euros to cover all expenses but increasing the national debt.

Do you think that additional free 5 billion euros from EU is just a drop???


Why don`t you provide figures of the national debt percentage ratio to Polish GNP? In 2008 it will be 50%. There are countries where the ratio amounts to 100%.

Genreally, you are right, economists are warning the government that the national debt may soon get out of control. Thye advise the tightening of the belt policy... However, politicians are afraid of reducing expenses because voters might get angry


No, I won`t, I don`t have time for it. :):). Puzzy will find and try telling sth to me. Then I will think what to do.


Not yet. MyPolonia`s data is quite correct although needs revision with this year`s figures. In 2008 the debt is goping to be about 560 billion.

finanse.egospodarka.pl/25065,Dlug-publiczny-2007-2010-prognozy-i-koszty-obslugi,1,48,1.html


Hey , it is holidays now, I am thinking about a nice place where to take my kids, generally I am enjoying life, relaxing, drinking a bit in the evening, taking part in various forums, thinking positive (though the weather has deteriorated grossly)... etc etc

And now you have come to me to tell me about the threat of the 5th partition of Poland???????

Come on......

Let stop with spendings, that is very simple solution (and the only one to finally resolve this problem). Cash from eurocrats is not free, they impose on our country whole bureaucratic apparatus which caused economic stagnation on the west.

Poland had a referendum regarding joining the EU, and the result was a big yes.


news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2973738.stm

So if the Polish gov decided to withdraw from the EU they would be going against the wishes of its people.

Poand has gained some things by joining the EU.

They have received financial help to rebuild the road and rail infrastructure which was in a big mess.

Poles are now free to travel freely and work in many new places...(but not to their "good friend" America)...without a Visa. So as a result many Poles have gained financial security.

Since Poland joined the EU it has one of the fastest growing economies on the planet.

Many things have improved so why on earth would some idiot want to withdraw from the EU?

hey, its not official Serbia who recognized separation of parts of Poland but quite opposite. And, its not Serbia that taken part in bombardement of Poland and in economic sanctions but, its quite opposite.

as positive person who believe in Poles, i coming here to talk to Poles to tell them that all that isn`t quite OK. What`s wrong with that???????!!!!!!!!! Maybe, i disturbing you????????

And how do you explain the US misery (not in the EU the last time I looked....)

Germany at least is thriving right now...and so are others competitive economies!

Do you really think all these little european countries would be better off alone for themselves in the world of the big blocks (US market? Chinese market?)

Without any help and supporting each other?

Exactly, come on lesser, a little savvy.

Poles won't block Lisbon, says Sarkozy

5 July 2008 | 14:04 | Source: BBC

I wrote about this issue in my thread about the EU.


Yeah, we already discussed this issue. German economy with 1% of the GDP grow is in serious stagnation.


How many EU institutions and bureaucrats is necessary to keep free trade and free travel zone in Europe? The answer is 0. Because of their activity, European countries struggle. Note that Asian states prosper because they chose completely different model of the country.


May I ask, who made this order?

probably Sarkozy himself

Interesting question. This would really sour relations were they to do this. They are involved in too many schemes and it would appear as a regressive step.

If Poland leaves the EU disco polo will be outlawed by the west, Doda will become a national icon and motor Lublin will win the champions league!!!!