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What if Poland has decided to withdraw from the European Union?


hello 22 | 891  
28 Jun 2008 /  #1
What if Poland (the Polish government or the society that chose that goverment) one day decided she doesn't want to be a part of the European Union anymore? Would it be possible to "take it back" and become a free country once again?

Would the other EU members have the right to military attack Poland or they would only impose some economic ratifcations (which ones)? Would Poland have to give back the money that has been "borrowed" from the EU (what if Poland said "no")? Would then Poland become a country like Cuba or North Korea in the other European countries eyes?

There is some information about it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_withdrawal but it woud be interesting to propose some real scenario if that was to happen.
kingkong1 - | 27  
28 Jun 2008 /  #2
They'd attack if one country I know ordered them to attack. Poland would also be declared a state sponsor of terrorism so watch out.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
28 Jun 2008 /  #3
They'd attack if one country I know ordered them to attack

The large Polish population of that country might have something to say about that....
kingkong1 - | 27  
28 Jun 2008 /  #4
And you sincerely believe their voices'd count? Dont think so. Only one voice of a certain group counts when it comes to that country's foreign policy.
OP hello 22 | 891  
28 Jun 2008 /  #5
Now when I think about it it would make sense - Poland received money from EU (Germany) to catch up to the other EU countries, but that should count as a compensation for Poland's destruction in WW2. So actually Poland is not a borrower of EU anymore and no military or economic action would be justified.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
28 Jun 2008 /  #6
What if Poland has decided to withdraw from the European Union?

Will never happen as Polish "elites" are too stupid to even think about any other solution and people think what GW, TVN etc. tell them...
Arien  
28 Jun 2008 /  #7
I would actually welcome it. (Like most Dutch people, I voted against the Euro, and also against the EU membership for Holland.) Like most people, I don't like the EU rules. Like most people, I don't like political desicions being made in Brussels without questioning, without debate, without discussions, without a single vote for civilians. Like most people, I don't like the fact that they don't listen to the people and simply overrule..

Take Ireland for example, they didn't agree with some agricultural treaty, actually voted and also the majority voted against. In Holland they didn't have a chance to vote at all, and I'm guessing this is the case in most EU countries. Anyway, Ireland voted against but they've simply decided to ignore this.. And that's not really how a democracy is supposed to work is it?

Back to your questions, I don't think any EU member will attack Poland would they ever choose a withdrawal from the EU. We still have a Geneva convention, NATO memberships and something we call laws..
kingkong1 - | 27  
28 Jun 2008 /  #8
Now when I think about it it would make sense - Poland received money from EU (Germany) to catch up to the other EU countries, but that should count as a compensation for Poland's destruction in WW2. So actually Poland is not a borrower of EU anymore and no military or economic action would be justified.

Quite right and even deserve a wee bit more but then again we all know who determines what's justified in these circumustances,dont we?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
28 Jun 2008 /  #9
Would it be possible to "take it back" and become a free country once again?

It should be possible to leave the EU. It worked for Greenland.

Would the other EU members have the right to military attack Poland or they would only impose some economic ratifcations

The military option looks completely ridiculous as far as I'm concerned. As for the economy, it is more expensive for non-EU countries to trade with EU countries. There could be some amount of deliberately making trade more expensive, but I wouldn't expect it to be at a level that cripples the country.

But how should I know anyway?
OP hello 22 | 891  
28 Jun 2008 /  #10
There could be some amount of deliberately making trade more expensive, but I wouldn't expect it to be at a level that cripples the country.

That's what I think too. So why wait, the EU foundations have recently been weakened. Russia would probably like the move and the trade with Russia (especially for strategic goods like gas or oil) could increase.

Which Polish party would be most likely to pull the strings? PiS, PO, or a completely new party would have to emerge, something very radical?
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 10,703  
28 Jun 2008 /  #11
The membership in the EU is no Warsaw pact or something like it rather a bundle of treatys the memberstate subscribed to.
Should a memberstate decide to become an ex-memberstate so it's mainly those treaties which are now meaningless and invalid.

There won't be any military action involved...why should it. "Free country" my a*ss! :):):) Poland is one of the biggest profiteers of the EU, a real comfortable jail!
kingkong1 - | 27  
28 Jun 2008 /  #12
Poland is one of the biggest profiteers of the EU, a real comfortable jail!

Spare the Poles some slack will you Bratwurst Boy? It was only a hypothetical thought by hello after all...
Crow 148 | 9,283  
29 Jun 2008 /  #14
What if Poland has decided to withdraw from the European Union?

finaly someone initiates interesting question on this forum. Relaxational potential of this bord started to drop but, now is fine again :)

I will tell you what would Poland get if decided to withdraw from the EU. Poland would face Serbian destine (use your imagination) and can expact to be absolutely destoryed by Germany, Britain, France, USA,... If come to that, don`t expect support from Vatican Poles (just remind yourself of Grunwald, etc examples). When needed, Germany (not only Germany) easely controls foreign policy of Vatican. Catholic faith is one thing and there are very good people in Vatican regarding that matter but, foreign policy belong to MASTERS

But, there is chance to avoid worse scenario if there is existing Slavic Alliance in moment when Poland tries to escape from Evil Union (and that day would come, its obvious). If understand this, you would become aware that Racowie today fights for Poland, too; again.

Will never happen

never underestimate Serbians.

We going nowhere without Poles. What would we without you, we need you. We need each others. We have our world which scream for freedom. We are Sarmatia Europae
Babinich 1 | 455  
29 Jun 2008 /  #15
What if Poland (the Polish government or the society that chose that goverment) one day decided she doesn't want to be a part of the European Union anymore? Would it be possible to "take it back" and become a free country once again?

Hello hello... :')

What do you mean when you say "become a free country again"?
Puzzy 1 | 150  
29 Jun 2008 /  #16
Poland received money from EU (Germany) to catch up to the other EU countries

- Like other EU countries, Poland pays a huge EU member fee. Besides, hasn't the EU limited the Polish industrial and agricultural output? We contribute to and take from the EU, just as other members do.

What do you mean when you say "become a free country again"?

- A good question indeed. I wonder why these folks wonder about Poland's leaving the EU rather than about Poland staying in the EU and helping build united Europe?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
29 Jun 2008 /  #17
These stupid CO2 limits alone will damage our economy more than any "aid" from EU is helping us...
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
29 Jun 2008 /  #18
- Like other EU countries, Poland pays a huge EU member fee

But unlike other EU countries, Poland has been paying huge EU member fees for, what, all of just over a couple of years. See the difference?
Puzzy 1 | 150  
29 Jun 2008 /  #19
See the difference?

- What does the difference signify, psychopath?
:)
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
29 Jun 2008 /  #20
Being able to see the difference, and appreciate it's significance, is what differentiates and makes us supperior to you. Peasant
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Jun 2008 /  #21
I will tell you what would Poland get if decided to withdraw from the EU. Poland would face Serbian destine (use your imagination)

I'm using my imagination right now.

Remember when Belgium declared war on Greenland when they left the EU? The Belgians kept themselves warm by eating loads and loads of chocolate, and they tried to capture the Greenlanders in big lace nets. The Greenlanders on the other side were equipt with polar bears that ripped the Belgians to shreds. When France, Germany and the UK got involved, the polar bear supply was running thin so the Greenlanders had to employ sneakier tactics. They crept up on the EU forces in igloos that slid across the ice, and for getting across the sea they rode seals and whales. Somehow Greenland won and they are now a mojor world superpower.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
29 Jun 2008 /  #22
VaFunkoolo

- Racist Polonophobic scum.
:)
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
29 Jun 2008 /  #23
No Piddly. As we have already established, just because I think you are a silly c.u.n.t and you happen to be Polish, it doesn't equate that I think all POles are silly c.u.n.t.s. Although I am prepared to accpet that in your family they are. Especially your mother

:)
lesser 4 | 1,311  
29 Jun 2008 /  #24
What if Poland (the Polish government or the society that chose that goverment) one day decided she doesn't want to be a part of the European Union anymore?

Actually the EU don't exist, this is not legal body. What exist is European Community. European Union would be established if Constitution (Lisbon Treaty) would be accepted by all members of the EC.

In this above mentioned treaty this procedure is very unclear and doesn't depend from the will of member state only. In fact nobody really know what would happen if some state decided to leave and eurocrats would oppose such outcome.

This is not a secret that eurocrats plan to build common army. One could wonder what would be the purpose of such army if we already have NATO? Hard to consider such scenarios like Chinese or Muslim invasion of Europe... Even euro-left is not so obsessed with "US-imperialism" to consider this to be serious threat to European security. So, what is the point? They want to run Bush's style of foreign policy, invade Iran? Or perhaps they just want to keep all pieces of the future EU together? :) Barroso talks about empire building. Seriously, can anybody answer to this question, what is the purpose?

Which Polish party would be most likely to pull the strings? PiS, PO, or a completely new party would have to emerge, something very radical?

Like Grzegorz mentioned, don't count on political elites. Those people even if they would not be in Brussels pocket, would not have any idea how to run the country. This generation of people raised under Soviet boot, they need to receive some orders from higher level. This is sad that they run education system in this country in the same direction, they want to impose on younger generations the same mentality which kill creativity.

I would actually welcome it. (Like most Dutch people, I voted against the Euro, and also against the EU membership for Holland.) Like most people, I don't like the EU rules. Like most people, I don't like political desicions being made in Brussels without questioning, without debate, without discussions, without a single vote for civilians. Like most people, I don't like the fact that they don't listen to the people and simply overrule..

This is correct stance of somebody who consider himself a democrat. Such person simply cannot support Brussels bureaucracy because they don't obey to democratic rules.

It should be possible to leave the EU. It worked for Greenland.

Greenland left completely different organization, on other stage of development. Beside of that from the perspective of Brussels bureaucracy obsessed with "control mania", Poland would mean much more for them than Greenland. Also today their greed is much bigger.

What do you mean when you say "become a free country again"?

I think that he means the country which decide about its own future, not any province of the EU-empire.

I wonder why these folks wonder about Poland's leaving the EU rather than about Poland staying in the EU and helping build united Europe?

May I help you with this. Because apparently they care more about individual freedom rather than about empire building. The latter was often never achieved goal of Russian society.
southern 75 | 7,096  
29 Jun 2008 /  #25
What if Poland (the Polish government or the society that chose that goverment) one day decided she doesn't want to be a part of the European Union anymore?

In this case Poland would lose all its gays in one day which I think is a substantial damage.
Crow 148 | 9,283  
29 Jun 2008 /  #26
I'm using my imagination right now.

you do? So, how do you do? feel dissolution?

I`m absolutely dissoluted. It`s hot here in Serbia, not to mention hot political reality. We wait that EU anex us and that we finaly get icecream.
OP hello 22 | 891  
29 Jun 2008 /  #27
What do you mean when you say "become a free country again"?

- A good question indeed. I wonder why these folks wonder about Poland's leaving the EU rather than about Poland staying in the EU and helping build united Europe?

I mean that now all important economic, social, and political decisions of Poland are made in the context of Poland being an unimportant cousin of EU. Poland is bound by so many tractacs and law agreements now that it has very limited economic or political moves, even if they were good for the Polish society. They count Polish sheep and cows of individual, small Polish farmers just to get maximum taxes from them. Moreso, now Poland pays huge EU member fees and will pay such fees (could be called "EU tax") for many years to come. Who needs that?

The worst part is if there is really economic danger and one of the countries (like Russia at one point) doesn't like Poland for some reason, there is little Germany or other EU members would do to protect Poland. It's funny that some big EU countries (Germany, France, UK) have so good "friendship" with countries outside EU (which can give them good benefits or trades, like Russia or USA) so that means EU as a whole is built on paper foundation. They would send delegates to talk, but no EU country would really fight for Poland economically, not to mention militarily. Would Germany or France send troops to Poland and die for Poland if Poland was attacked or to protect Poland's economic status? I seriously doubt that.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
29 Jun 2008 /  #28
If Poland leaves the EU my house will be worth less , and my plan to bring some wealth and jobs to this area would not be helped....Poland needs to be in the EU to progress....hoping of course that it doesen,t become to much like America , or the UK....
lesser 4 | 1,311  
29 Jun 2008 /  #29
If Poland leaves the EU my house will be worth less

No, it depend what policy would be obtained by Polish government. I believe that similar possessions in Switzerland, Liechtenstein or Norway are often worth more than in Poland or other EU countries.
southern 75 | 7,096  
29 Jun 2008 /  #30
I believe that similar possessions in Switzerland, Liechtenstein or Norway are often worth more than in Poland or other EU countries.

Even in Russia and Ukraine.Anyway EU stabilizes the macroeconomic environment,the inflation etc and improves the infrastructure.But it does nothing for job creation and wages.And all these beaurocrats...

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