BNP far right in Poland

He isn't a Roman Catholic. He's a Sedevacantist.

So he is a so-called Traditionalist Catholic. Do you know if these are generally accepted by the regular catholic church in Poland?

No he is not, he is a heretic.

Most definitely not. Rafał Trytek was a member of SSPX, who (since I think last year) are accepted, but he left because they weren't extreme enough for him. He's now a member of a US-based fringe religion.

Yep, they're (in Poland anyway) a part of the Church, a controversial loudmouth part but still a part, i know in US they form separate groups but in US they worship gerbils so its a weird country like that.

Hm, that's interesting. So the catholic church ignores something like this (you might want to read the comments as well):
topix.com/forum/news/gay/T3OB6U3S96GRMI3HI

You confuse SSPX and sedevacandist sect. The second are outside of the church. They don't recognize modern Popes.

SSPX are part of the Church, but he isn't. He left. He's under the authority of 'bishop' Donald Sanborn, who is not in any way part of the Catholic Church.

And even in Poland, sedevacantists aren't part of the Church. After all, they believe there's no Pope, which precludes them from membership in any form.

For anyone interested:

mostholytrinityseminary.org

My bad you're right.

Look, Im all for gay civil marriage because it gives a couple who have been together (in some caes) longer than most people have been married - the same rights as those that got married in the eyes of god! It sgot nothing to with being PC...its got a lot to with gay couples being screwed by the relatives if one of them dies, which has happened. I know a lot have jumped on the band waggon and thats just wrong, but is any worse than some slut demanding a wedding ring or she will leave her boyfriend? Its all about the lime light!

Here you have rare interesting interview with priest from SSPX.
patrz.pl/filmy/id/703290


This is nonsense. You compare state to God? Marriage this is church's sacrament. State issued "marriages", this is great usurpation and interference in our private life.

What gets overlooked and lost in this is that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.

Many things are lifestyle choices-examples being covered in tattoos and piercings, being vegan, to extra marital affairs and whole array of things in between of varying degrees of extremism.

This is all fair play. The world is full of choices and freedoms and that is a great thing.

However, we dont indulge each of these radical lifestyle choices with state-led promotion and some crusade for equality.... we dont force restaurants into providing vegan meals or tell employers that all body stylings are acceptable.

Yet we are happy to do this for homosexuality.

The ultra liberal PC brigade champion this cause. But why should it be the defacto position?

I could choose to have mistresses but this does not mean I require the state to permit and condone such behaviour..

But we don't need any kind of homo "marriages" to solve problems like this one...

Anyway... threads like this one are a great opportunity for Polonophobes to scream about Polish fascism/racism/antisemtism etc. (one of their favourite subjects) when in fact there are hardly any countries in Europe, which have smaller problems with "far right" than Poland has.

Or perhaps a sexuality.

Unless you can cite even one iota of hard evidence that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.

Thats a good flip... because there is not one iota of evidence to prove homosexuality in humans is anything but a lifestyle choice.

Check out the American Psychiatric Association. Or from the same country, the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Both are quite clear that human sexuality is not a matter of choice.

I thought we are going to discuss some impartial sensible evidence....

I doubt you'd find any more impartial authorities than the abovementioned.

It is naive to think these organisations are not under large external pressures to make the "right" answers in reports... the large pro-gay lobby in USA wields substantial power and wealth as you may well know.

Hmm. The Conservative lobby in the US is both wealthy and organised.

And the two organisations (along with many others of the same opinion) are entirely independent and respected.

Surely, with Polands history, there is room for a form of nationalism which is not negative?

Banned is incorrect term it should read prohibited because under article 13 of the Polish Constitution, fascist organisations are illegal and constitutionally prohibited.


Nothing wrong at all.

But I think a civilised person would say there is everything wrong with the below :-)







Above quoted from [Amnesty International human rights organistation report.]


Your normally loudmouth seems tightly zipped when it comes to finding any link to my lies about Poles running concentration camps in WWII?

Well now, let’s see. Who did Lepper appoint to run the party’s weekly newspaper/ None other than noted antisemite Leszek Bubel, publisher of racist material such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, instigator of the Auschwitz crosses and Jebwabne denier.

And then we’ve got the connection with Niklot and its charming leaders Igor Gorewicz. Didn’t I see Gorewicz on the cover of Wprost in 2000 giving the Nazi salute with a group of his followers? Pity he didn’t get elected when running on the SO ticket.

Down in Lublin Konrad Rekas did manage to get elected for SO, despite formerly being a member of Prawica Narodowa, a group of anti-semites and holocaust deniers. Kind of ironic how Rekas was elected chairman of the Lublin sejmik with the support of SO and SLD, despite the fact that in 1995 he organised demonstrations in memory of Eligiusz Niewiadomski, far right nutter who shot the first president of Poland, and at those demonstrations calls were made for Kwasniewski to be assassinated on the off chance he was Jewish.

More? OK. Up in Koszalin the SO branch was shelter for Mlodziezy Patriotycznej 'Swiaszczyca', noted racist group and famed for their terrible taste in music, as well as their charming habit of beating the sh!t out of any non-white they find after a concert.

When you say that SO isn’t racist, you betray either your utter ignorance of your own country and your desire to defend all Poles against any criticism from any foreigner or you willingness to lie whenever you think you might get away with it (your desire to defend all Poles against any criticism from any foreigner). Do let us know whether you’re ignorant or a liar.


Perhaps you can now demonstrate your firm grip on facts?


Nothing at all is wrong with it, provided that one doesn't promote hetrosexuality in society and one tolerates no discrimination based on sexuality.


You can follow whatever system you want: you're free to do that. You just aren't free to force your views onto other people.

By the way, love that strawman you construct, really shows nicely how you can't argue with any of the things I actually say!

As I wrote earlier Samoobrona was totally populist and Lepper was anything but careful when choosing political partners. Some their MPs were lacking even primary education. As far I remember Bubel have its own minor party. I don't know what shady reasons pushed Lepper to cooperate with him but political platform of SO was not racist for sure.

Do you claim that this party newspaper spread racist message? I'm sure that mainstream media would cry loud about it before. Provide some evidence about racism in this newspaper.


I never heard about Niklot, it must be some minor 'organization' even on poor nationalist standards. Once again this is strange personal choice but he did not affect SO policy at all.


I read that Prawica Narodowa was run by professor Bartyzel who definitely is not a racist. This is a slander.


Well this action was idiotic but he was a teenager at that time. Get a life Harry. All those people searching teen sins of today's adult people should get a life. Doesn't matter whether one was a communist or fascist at that time, today such people might be valuable citizens. They made mistakes as teens but at least they were interested in something more than consumption. Do you recall myself searching for shady histories from early life of my current political opponents? This is tasteless tactic directly out of tabloids.


Either you have no even basic idea about Polish politics or just a lot of bad will to repeat such lies over and over. You posted about some trivial cases that have absolutely no influence on political platform of SO (if anything like that ever existed!).

What is your source, what kind of list is it? It looks like some equivalent of infamous Blood and Honor website.

According to that metodology one could "prove" that CDU is a gang of pedophiles or that the Labor Party is an international drug smuggling syndicate. SO as a party (no matter how idiotic It is) has nothing to do with racism or anti-Jewism. Desperately trying to smear "racists !" crap all over any group in this country you are only proving my point from the previous post.


LOL !

That's exactly what Leszek Bubel is. He's also facing trial for publishing racist material.

You really don't know what I was laughing at ?

Oh please, just do your homework? Hitler was a Catholic. The Vatican helped hundreds of Nazi officers escape to Argentina. Benedictus was member of the Hitler Jugend. The Bishop he appointed denied the Holocaust..

Shall I go on or..?

:)

Oh yes!