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OK, how bad is the economic situation in Poland?


spell of bliss  
8 Aug 2006 /  #1
there are many,many topics about poles who move to other countries in search of better lives and for work. How bad is it in Poland? although i understand poland's economy suffered much for years under a communist economy, its still hard for me to imagine that a european country isn't like usa or canada basically because i think of germany, uk, and france which are a few of the world's largest economies by country. btw, since germany is the world's #3 economy, why can't poland take advantage of that and do something w/e that is so that they can improve things? i know that the u.s. and canada depend very much on each other for economic prosperity. but then y is it that mexico isn't too prosperous?
bolo 2 | 304  
8 Aug 2006 /  #2
The situation is not bad - since there are people from other countries going to Poland looking for a job.
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
8 Aug 2006 /  #3
I hope that this isnt a provocation..

Germans hit road in search for jobs

More Germans are emigrating than at any time since the war, driven from home by unemployment or the search for better job prospects.

Around 145,000 mainly young people turned their backs on the country last year, more than at any time since 1945, and almost a three-fold increase since the 1980s, according to the Federal Office of Statistics.

The favoured countries were America, followed by Switzerland, Poland, Austria, Britain and France.

Young scientists and researchers are moving to the United States, where universities are better funded.

The figures reflect Germany's chronically high unemployment rate of about 10.5 per cent.

"This emigration situation is suicidal for us," said the migrations expert Klaus Bade Jungen. "We're bleeding to death."

telegraph
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
8 Aug 2006 /  #4
[quote]A study made by AT Kearney shows that Poland is the World`s 5th most preferred place when it comes to Foreign Direct Investments:

atkearney.com/shared_res/pdf/FDICI_2005.pdf
OP spell of bliss  
8 Aug 2006 /  #5
provocation?.... wujek....i'm really sry if i made u mad....did i? i sincerely apologize then. I'm sorry. but wat did i say that so offensive?
gavin  
8 Aug 2006 /  #6
It seems europe is going on a merry go round. While Polish are coming 2 Britain and Ireland for better money the Ukranians and Belarusians are going to Poland for the same the pay is to good in Poland compared to these countrys.Probably then some poorer country will fill vacancys left in Ukraine and Belarus because to them the pay to good in these countrys.
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
8 Aug 2006 /  #7
It`s partly that way - but all those movements of people are minimal - and the differences in pay aren`t really that big if you take into account the difference in living costs - which most of the people who are moving around Europe that way DOSN`T take into account.

The Polish economy - since 1990 is in a constant boom - there has been a slowdown around the year 2000 in which all of that unemployment had been created - but right now everything has gotten back into normal.

You have to know that our country is something comparable to a military base - from which the Asian corporations are attacking European markets - a large part of Asia is manufacturing here its cars and electronics that are being sold in W. Europe and we are a major - in the future the largest logistic center for the Asian companies (especially Korean) who had already entered and are entering the European markets. On the other hand many European - and in a smaller extent American companies are relocating their manufacturing, R&D and financial centers here - cose it`s simply cheaper for them.

And in addition our home companies are growing stronger in both Europe an Asia each year.

Those people who are migrating and want to stay for good in the UK or elsewhere are making a huge error - an error for which they are going to have to pay.
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
8 Aug 2006 /  #8
provocation?.... wujek....i'm really sry if i made u mad....did i? i sincerely apologize then. I'm sorry. but wat did i say that so offensive?

hmmm
lef 11 | 478  
8 Aug 2006 /  #9
The Polish economy - since 1990 is in a constant boom - there has been a slowdown

You know my blood boils when I here this type of nonsense, boom, boom, boom, well tell me my good wujek why are so many people leaving poland for a better way of life and why are so many people struggling to make ends meet (poverty increasing rapidly) sorry wujek, I don't want to stretch the friendship but please........

and in a smaller extent American companies are relocating their manufacturing, R&D and financial centers here - cose it`s simply cheaper for them.

There is a lot of interest in the polish market because it is cheap to purchase businesses in poland (its all bargain basement) and there is little competition..

Normally when you talk about boom times, you expect people to be better off and doing well, not the case in poland.
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
9 Aug 2006 /  #10
You know my blood boils when I here this type of nonsense, boom, boom, boom, well tell me my good wujek why are so many people leaving poland for a better way of life and why are so many people struggling to make ends meet (poverty increasing rapidly) sorry wujek, I don't want to stretch the friendship but please.....

The average income in Poland had increased by a coupple of hundred percent during the last 17 years.. and if a pearsons income increases by a 4,5% in a year (page 44)

stat.gov.pl/opracowania_zbiorcze/infor_spol_gosp/2006/06_06 /06.pdf

while the inflation is below 1% then his income increases by more than 3% - which is making him poorer.

so many people struggling to make ends meet (poverty increasing rapidly)

This is bullshit - see above.
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
9 Aug 2006 /  #11
There is a lot of interest in the polish market because it is cheap to purchase businesses in poland (its all bargain basement) and there is little competition..

That was perhaps in 1989-1992. Now the situation looks fully different.

Normally when you talk about boom times, you expect people to be better off and doing well, not the case in poland.

People are getting better of - section 6:

stat.gov.pl/opracowania_zbiorcze/maly_rocznik_stat/2006/10_ mrs2006.pdf

Of course some people aren`t getting better of - those who, since 17 years now, aren`t able to cope with the new reality - they often land on the street - but most people are getting much better off.
iwona 12 | 542  
9 Aug 2006 /  #12
You know my blood boils when I here this type of nonsense, boom, boom, boom, well tell me my good wujek why are so many people leaving poland for a better way of life and why are so many people struggling to make ends meet (poverty increasing rapidly) sorry wujek, I don't want to stretch the friendship but please........

I don't know numbers but why so many English people leave England and move abroad ( quite big percentage ) if England is so rich country. people migrate for many different reason.

And for lots polish going west for work is like mirage- they imagination which is not true. Lots of them didn't find work and came back another realised that theya were doing better in Poland and came back.
lef 11 | 478  
10 Aug 2006 /  #13
Those people who are migrating and want to stay for good in the UK or elsewhere are making a huge error - an error for which they are going to have to pay.

mmmm, I wonder what???????
Shelley  
10 Aug 2006 /  #14
I don't know numbers but why so many English people leave England and move abroad ( quite big percentage ) if England is so rich country. people migrate for many different reason

they retire - they dont work - thats the majority of the migration from the UK

and it's not a big % either
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
10 Aug 2006 /  #15
mmmm, I wonder what???????

Well, lef I`m sure you`ve ment: "mmmm, I wonder why???????"

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And why ? - becaouse the wages here are rising and there are more and more job opportunities - and if someone chooses to work in the UK in a job below his qualifications (not mentioning dignity) for - if you take into account the living costs - 150% of that what he would be getting paid here in a similar job - for a long time then he`s simply forgeting his learnt profession and is increasing his chance for working in some shitty job for the rest of his life.
Shelley  
10 Aug 2006 /  #16
Wujek_Dobra_Rada

I dont honestly think many Polish will stay for good, I think there is a large influx because it's an open market, it will slow down, there will be some that stay, the ones that get good jobs, meet / marry over here...but like you said, why bother getting such a high degree of education if you're not going to use it
truebrit 3 | 196  
10 Aug 2006 /  #17
Those people who are migrating and want to stay for good in the UK or elsewhere are making a huge error - an error for which they are going to have to pay.

Nonsense - they will return to Poland with a lot of money.British currency is the world's strongest currency at the moment and when they return to Poland with £ 10,000- £ 25000 cash they will definitely not think they have made a mistake.Wake up.

And what they will do then ?

10.000 pounds is roughly 58.000 PLN. For 58.000 PLN they can buy a 6 year Toyota Land crousier

Wel Wujek,I think you need to actually experience life in other countries.They will buy their car in the UK where cars are much cheaper than Poland.They will then drive back to Poland with their car and their cash and they will either buy a house and look for a job or they will start a business.If you tell these Polish people they are making a big mistake working in the UK,Ireland etc they will just laugh.

I don't know numbers but why so many English people leave England and move abroad ( quite big percentage ) if England is so rich country. people migrate for many different reason.

2 sorts of English people move abroad.

1.Retired people.They like England and have worked all their lives but they do not want to spend every January-May shivering indoors worrying about the heating bills,so they go to Spain,Australia for the sun and cheaper costs(especially if they sell their UK house they will have plenty of money)

2.Whinging Poms.You know these people-they have a good life-even easy life but they are always complaining and see USA etc on TV and think everything is better there.I know a

couple without children here in the UK with a joint income of £100,000,nice house,many holidays etc but they always complain about taxes,quality of life etc.They want to go to USA etc and I tell them to try it.The problem in Britain is many people are spoilt and expect too much (materially) from life.
Wujek_Dobra_Rada  
10 Aug 2006 /  #18
Only part of them is going to do that.
Shelley  
10 Aug 2006 /  #19
spoilt and expect too much (materially) from life.

Nothing wrong with wanting more - each generatioin wants more than the last
lef 11 | 478  
11 Aug 2006 /  #20
Nonsense - they will return to Poland with a lot of money.British currency is the world's strongest currency at the moment and when they return to Poland with £ 10,000- £ 25000 cash they will definitely not think they have made a mistake.Wake up.

Truebrit are you for real, that sort of money is only chicken feed and it won't go a long way.., I've come to the conclusion that its better to work in the west and spend you money on vocations in poland...living and working in poland has so many stresses and nothing is certain.

This is bullshit - see above.

Some people are doing very nicely thank you very much but please consider the vast majority of people on fixed income, pensioners and the unemployed.

Poland is paying for western prices and earning eastern wages. ( welcome to the EU) and the situation will not hold on. It seems the small percentage of rich people in poland are having a field day all under the protection of the EU parliament.

It may pay wujek to open your eyes when you are next in the supermarket or walking the streets of a night time, you may get a shock in what you see.
Shelley  
11 Aug 2006 /  #21
Poland is paying for western prices and earning eastern wages

When was the last time you were in Poland - because it's at least 50% cheaper than in the UK, STOP TALKING CRAP! but then again what can one expect from someone from Aus
truebrit 3 | 196  
11 Aug 2006 /  #22
Nothing wrong with wanting more - each generatioin wants more than the last

It depends how materialistic each individual is.If someone (a couple without children))has a large house,big garden,2-3 new cars,several overseas holidays each year and they are still not content and want more things -then they will never be happy.They can migrate to the USA with its 2 weeks per year holidays and longer hours and have a bigger house with a swimming pool but they will probably still want more.
Shelley  
11 Aug 2006 /  #23
people like that are just never going to be happy

My brother has two kids, two cars several holidays a very larage house and he and his wife are the happiest people I know, but they have full lives and dont have time to moan about things that are not important
lef 11 | 478  
12 Aug 2006 /  #24
When was the last time you were in Poland - because it's at least 50% cheaper than in the UK, STOP TALKING CRAP! but then again what can one expect from someone from Aus

This shows how expensive things are in England
In Australia the prices are quickly getting same as in poland especially for food, and meat.

A smart shopper here can pick a a carton (20kg) of oranges for 15$AU.. approx 35zl or potatoes 20kg for $12Au.

Poducts such as cheeses are dearer in poland.

Pork and chickens taste better in poland (almost equal in price here)
The red meat offered in shops in poland would only be offered up as animal food here.

Poland has very little lamb, veal or beef.

Beer is about the same price here, vodka is cheaper in Poland.

Homes are cheaper in Poland and so is rent.

The only problem is that workers here earn 4 times more than there counterparts in Poland.

When Was I last in Poland.....(Have been there 10 times, x 3 months) last time 2 years ago.

Going back soon.
truebrit 3 | 196  
13 Aug 2006 /  #25
Truebrit are you for real, that sort of money is only chicken feed and it won't go a long way

So instead of working 2 years in the UK and then returning to Poland with 10k or more sterling it would of course be better if they spent 2 years unemployed and earning nothing?You might think that Lef but nobody else does.
lef 11 | 478  
13 Aug 2006 /  #26
So instead of working 2 years in the UK and then returning to Poland with 10k or more sterling it would of course be better

all I was saying is that sort of money is nothing to write home about..I'ts better than nothing I suppose.
iwona 12 | 542  
13 Aug 2006 /  #27
Poland has very little lamb, veal or beef.

Where do you have this information from??????

So instead of working 2 years in the UK and then returning to Poland with 10k or more sterling it would of course be better if they spent 2 years unemployed and earning nothing?You might think that Lef but nobody else does.

exactly in krakow or Warsaw 10k is not much but if someone os from small town he can probbaly buy small flat for this money ar built small house. it is lots. if it is young couple they can start life without mnortgage
krysia 23 | 3,057  
13 Aug 2006 /  #28
Nothing better than kangaroo meat.
bossie 1 | 123  
13 Aug 2006 /  #29
I agree with Wujek (#12), some people just don't follow the new realia. They still expect the government to give them jobs, flats, social support ect. The grew up in sick comunist reality and were taught helplesness. Those are the ones who are poor, unemployed, pessimistic and with unrealistic expectations from the authorities.

Most young and many middle-aged people, however, have changed this old way of thinking for a much better, individual approach. They study, get additional qualifications, change jobs for better, look for new ways of improving their lives.

As time passes, the first group shrinks and the second grows. Those who are fine in Poland, stay, some take a chance and emigrate. All in all, things are improving.
iwona 12 | 542  
13 Aug 2006 /  #30
2 sorts of English people move abroad.

1.Retired people.They like England and have worked all their lives but they do not want to spend every January-May shivering indoors worrying about the heating bills,so they go to Spain,Australia for the sun and cheaper costs(especially if they sell their UK house they will have plenty of money)

2.Whinging Poms.You know these people-they have a good life-even easy life but they are always complaining and see USA etc on TV and think everything is better there.I know a

couple without children here in the UK with a joint income of £100,000,nice house,many holidays etc but they always complain about taxes,quality of life etc.They want to go to USA etc and I tell them to try it.The problem in Britain is many people are spoilt and expect too much (materially) from life.


truebit,

I agree let's be honest averyone likes money and comfortable life but yes English are very materialistic and comfortable - I have impression more young generation. They want everything, nice cars, holidays abroad, house....

But unfortunately not everyone can afford it but of cource can afford lots credit cards and debts. I don't understand it . When I was to buy my first flat( with big help of my parents) in Poland I didn't go for bigger holiday as wanted to save money.You can't have everything life is full of choices.

I would say that there is maybe 3d group of emigrants - people who want to live in less crowded and commercial country sometimes even with less income.

There is quite a big English community in France, Italy.

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