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Why so many bad candidates for Poland Prime Minister?


James123  
27 Sep 2007 /  #61
They may do things not that bad sometimes (even if i don't know if it's very useful to know who did something 20 years ago), but they do many things that are not very "good", and somebody else could do what they do, or better than they ;)

What are you talking about? I deal with these horrific individuals on a daily basis. They have positions in all state institutions and in many other areas.

What efficient have they done for that?

Dealt once and for all with the digusting way Russia seeks to use it's energy muscle within the EU. Stood up to a European parliament bending over backwards to do business with the former KGB mafia in Russia
Polson  5 | 1767  
27 Sep 2007 /  #62
So the only good thing done by the Kaczynskis is "fighting" the ex-communists ! Great !
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #63
Dealt once and for all with the digusting way Russia seeks to use it's energy muscle within the EU. Stood up to a European parliament bending over backwards to do business with the former KGB mafia in Russia

I asked you only about Jaro's real activities against communist mafia in Poland? What has he done besides the victory over marasmatic sinecura at military intelligence?
James123  
27 Sep 2007 /  #64
Starting to impliment certain laws that stop members of the former criminal communist party from hiding behind the non access to secret police file. Finding those guilty of crimes against the Polish people during the communist period and punishing them accordingly. Soon we will have laws to lower their state pensions or even in some cases stop the pensions altogether
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #65
So the only good thing done by the Kaczynskis is "fighting" the ex-communists ! Great !

A'm long away from Poland. I don't have information about that fight against ex-communists. What are the efficient steps against post communists?

Finding those guilty of crimes against the Polish people during the communist period and punishing them accordingly.

Who was found guilty?
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
27 Sep 2007 /  #66
you guys think you have a problem with good candidates over there, take a look at our candidates,

Gordon Browne (Labour)
David Cameron (Conservative)
all the others don't matter because they don't stand a chance :)

not much of a choice really
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #67
Soon we will have laws to lower their state pensions or even in some cases stop the pensions altogether

What types of people will be under this measure?
Polson  5 | 1767  
27 Sep 2007 /  #68
I don't have information about that fight against ex-communists

Don't live in Poland either ;)
James123  
27 Sep 2007 /  #69
So the only good thing done by the Kaczynskis is "fighting" the ex-communists ! Great !

The is the most important issue if Poland really wants to move forward politically and economically and not end up as a failed latin American experiment. Certain individuals need to be brought to justice before the country can move into a new era.
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #70
you guys think you have a problem with good candidates over there, take a look at our candidates,

Gordon Browne (Labour)
David Cameron (Conservative)
all the others don't matter because they don't stand a chance :)

not much of a choice really

You had to give that advice earlier. In this case these gentlemen could become candidates not only to Polish prime ministry but also to Russian one
Polson  5 | 1767  
27 Sep 2007 /  #71
So politics sucks... :p
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #72
Certain individuals need to be brought to justice before the country can move into a new era.

What individuals and how their punishment will help you to build your personal future?
James123  
27 Sep 2007 /  #73
What types of people will be under this measure?

Former members of the SB secret police, individuals that took control, illegally, of former state companies while preaching communist values to the masses, former members of the legal profession, high ranking army officers and many more.
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
27 Sep 2007 /  #74
In this case these gentlemen could become candidates not only to Polish prime ministry but also to Russian one

really that sounds outrageous, that could lead to all kinds of funny business if one or two of them were candidates for both countries, how is this allowed to happen?? sorry for my lack of knowledge here
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #75
Cameron is better. Blair-Browne semms to be a little obsolete.
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
27 Sep 2007 /  #76
tend to agree but Cameron seems weak to me and a country with a weak leader can only lead to big trouble. What happens if the country is hit by a crisis, i don't think Cameron would have a clue, at least Blair would take action, whether its the right/wrong action i don't know :)
James123  
27 Sep 2007 /  #77
What individuals and how their punishment will help you to build your personal future?

I will never except the fact that former communist criminals received state pensions of up to 10 times the national average. That they have the right to enter positions of public office, positions they once had and used to destroy the country economically and create a moral void that ripped apart society by the use of secret police.

They were incompetent in all areas of economic management and their removal will benefit economic prosperity
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #78
Former members of the SB secret police, individuals that took control, illegally, of former state companies while preaching communist values to the masses, former members of the legal profession, high ranking army officers and many more.

And party members who made their career anywhere thanks to party participation. What is the moral difference between them and secret police officers?
Why opposition persecution is criminal and teaching children Darvinism by teachers-party members isn't criminal?
And what about young children of former "criminals"? They made good careers in business thanks to their parents' influence in transitorial perioud. Should they loose them? How to do that if yes and what about the effeciency of all these measures if no?
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
27 Sep 2007 /  #79
I will never except the fact that former communist criminals received state pensions of up to 10 times the national average.

mate its Russia, expect anything :)

They were incompetent in all areas of economic management and their removal will benefit economic prosperity

just don't vote for these people its simple, surely if they were so bad then nobody is going to give them a chance
PolskaDoll  27 | 1591  
27 Sep 2007 /  #80
Cameron would have a clue, at least Blair would take action

Neither of them would take action alone. That's what all these emergency committees are for etc
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #81
That they have the right to enter positions of public office, positions they once had and used to destroy the country economically and create a moral void that ripped apart society by the use of secret police.

Now their sons do that. What measures against that families in general are elaborated? The point is that persons you are talking about are quite old and their familiars promoted by them are away from the range of these measures.
James123  
27 Sep 2007 /  #82
just don't vote for these people its simple, surely if they were so bad then nobody is going to give them a chance

We were refering to Poland! The individuals in question are experts in the area of manipulation( afterall they were trained heavily in this area) they hide behind the banners of parties like LiD pulling the strings accordingly. Promising all kinds of social programmes to end poverty while living in Warsaw's best districts and using their positions to sign contracts with western companies that benefit their cronies.
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #83
What happens if the country is hit by a crisis, i don't think Cameron would have a clue

British middle classers will superate crisis. Labourists are brave only in following the cowboy from Texas
James123  
27 Sep 2007 /  #84
Now their sons do that. What measures against that families in general are elaborated? The point is that persons you are talking about are quite old and their familiars promoted by them are away from the range of these measures.

These are moral measures that send out direct signals to those that seek to use public positions for illgotten gains. Responsibility is extremely difficult to pinpoint on certain families but trying ensures a moral victory and sets the ground for a society to be built under new values

Public office will no longer be seen as a meal ticket to illgotten gains! It will lose its attractiveness for certain individuals because they will be held responsible for their actions
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #85
These are moral measures that send out direct signals to those that seek to use public positions for illgotten gains. Responsibility is extremely difficult to pinpoint on certain families but trying ensures a moral victory and sets the ground for a society to be built under new values

No fear for Nurnberg trial and antinazy lustrations in any state. Extremism isn't afraid of that precedent because everybody known that sons of many nazy activists could do a more successful career than ordinary Germans. Many examples of the sort. No possuibility to be successful in business for nazy son if his father was an ordinary butcher as he was before Hitler. No lessons. No good precedents.
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
27 Sep 2007 /  #86
Neither of them would take action alone. That's what all these emergency committees are for etc

thats right they have the COBRA board, however surely the final decision is made by the main man/woman??

We were refering to Poland! The individuals in question are experts in the area of manipulation( afterall they were trained heavily in this area) they hide behind the banners of parties like LiD pulling the strings accordingly. Promising all kinds of social programmes to end poverty while living in Warsaw's best districts and using their positions to sign contracts with western companies that benefit their cronies.

surely the Polish can see round these false promises??
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #87
Public office will no longer be seen as a meal ticket to illgotten gains! It will lose its attractiveness for certain individuals because they will be held responsible for their actions

Nothins of the sort. Lots of sexual and corruption scandals in politics and public service. All puniched are substituted by those who follow those punished
PolskaDoll  27 | 1591  
27 Sep 2007 /  #88
however surely the final decision is made by the main man/woman??

Maybe but I doubt it, I think that would be pretty dangerous.
truhlei  10 | 332  
27 Sep 2007 /  #89
surely the Polish can see round these false promises??

But where will he meet true promises?

Maybe but I doubt it, I think that would be pretty dangerous.

Exactly!!!
tornado2007  11 | 2270  
27 Sep 2007 /  #90
But where will he meet true promises?

i'm not sure what you mean here, but for me why can't they just be honest and say well this is what we can give you, you might not like it in a dream world but this is real life.

That would cut all the lies and time wasting that they did and do :)

Maybe but I doubt it, I think that would be pretty dangerous.

well nobody else wants the responsibility so i expect they do, lol, it is dangerous but somebodies got to do it :)

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