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Another Case Of Intentional HIV Infections in Poland


Seanus 15 | 19,672  
10 Nov 2008 /  #31
Hehehe, that was brilliant Darius. Brits here will remember the Dime bar commercials where stupidity was on display. Some people never cease to amaze me :)
polishgirltx  
10 Nov 2008 /  #32
This is not the solution. The solution lies within.

for many, it is...
Seanus 15 | 19,672  
10 Nov 2008 /  #33
I agree with pgtx, £odz. Condoms have stood the test of time and are cheaper than most tablet-based options. A bit of a pest to get on sometimes but that's another story
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
10 Nov 2008 /  #34
for many, it is...

For how long?... lack of morality is the dieseas... HIV is the effect...one of many effects....not the worse of the effects of a promiscous life.

I am no priest mind you.... I dont believe in Catholicism... (I do believe in God and Jesus and all other Prophets)... but morality is an integral part of the Religion which is called Humanity.
Seanus 15 | 19,672  
10 Nov 2008 /  #35
I don't think u r really arguing with pgtx, £odz. U r saying sth quite different. I think pgtx would accept that there is a lack of morality or care in promiscuous types. It doesn't detract from the fact that condoms are still very much the preferred option.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #36
lack of morality is the dieseas

And it will never be cured...it is part of humanity. Only hippies and people kidding themselves can't see this.

Condoms are better than nothing and are much easier or even possible to effect than morality.
polishgirltx  
10 Nov 2008 /  #37
my point is that we live in the world where condoms should be used as they help to protect people (not guarantee, just help)... people have sex on regular basis and it's good to encourage to use them, pills and other methods do not protect you from STDs (beside not having sex, but that's harder to do, sorry)...

i'm just saying if a person decides to have sex, use protection not only the one which avoids to get pregnant... having sex goes along with a big responsibility...
Seanus 15 | 19,672  
10 Nov 2008 /  #38
99% is a pretty high level of reliability. I really didn't get ur point on morality, £odz. It seems highly responsible and moral to 'don a dobber' and minimise the prospect of abortion cases coming about.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
10 Nov 2008 /  #39
I don't think u r really arguing with pgtx, £odz

I am not arguing with her... just taking... I am not here to argue all the time :D... ;)...

It doesn't detract from the fact that condoms are still very much the preferred option.

A healthy person is not defined as the person with the highest consumption of medicines and antibiotics... or life support on.

And it will never be cured...it is part of humanity.

Humanity is great and sincere. Hippies are those who want to believe that the world is filled with pain and they are a part of it.

The human nature is grand and towards the higher being.... the human weakness is an aspect of the material...nothing to do with our souls.... its like the dust that covers us ...even though these dust are not a part of us.

Condoms are better than nothing and are much easier or even possible to effect than morality.

Its not like that gtd... morality is the true solution. Condom is a measure that is dentined to remain a measure...not a solution or even a long term prevention.

I really didn't get ur point on morality, £odz.

As the lady said that with sex comes big responsibility... a moral behaviour would be to wait till marriage....have sex with the married wife and only her... remain faithful to the marriage. Teach the children (next generation) the goodness of an honest life. In every aspect.

The use of condom is just brushing the dirt under the rug....it doesnt take it away from the home.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #40
morality is the true solution.

An impossible solution is my point....a fantasy...so pointless to put forward as practical solution. I would bet everything I have and know that humanity will NEVER be without immorality.

I think you are an optimist not a realist. Humanity is not 'pure'. It is the best good and the worst evil all wrapped up in one and people choose which end of that spectrum to live in. Evil will always be here no matter what shiny happy wishes you make.
Prince 15 | 590  
10 Nov 2008 /  #41
Some people try to tell that it is Catholic problem but why we have less HIV infections that other european countries?
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
10 Nov 2008 /  #42
I would bet everything I have and know that humanity will NEVER be without immorality.

There will be some... but be assured....the future of humanity is bright and beautiful.... with healthy and bright faces all around.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #43
Just wait...it's not so old in it's exposure to Poland. It's the principles people are talking about as well...not using contraception etc...not just Catholics.
Shawn_H  
10 Nov 2008 /  #44
morality is the true solution

Morality is subjective.

Canibalism is acceptable in some civilizations, Capital punishment in others. In some civilizations, spitting on the street is punishable by the lash.
z_darius 14 | 3,964  
10 Nov 2008 /  #45
morality is the true solution.

Morality is a convention, an agreement - not an absolute. It varies from one group of people to another and it is probably among the least reliable solutions to anything.
Seanus 15 | 19,672  
10 Nov 2008 /  #46
I agree with gtd. It is said, £odz, that ur average Polish woman looks to get married at 23. They can legally have sex at 16. Do u really think that girls with hormones should go through their entire Uni life without having sex? What an absurd position, sorry, that's WAY out of touch with reality and just holier-than-thou. Devoid of practical utility and an infraction of liberty and freedom of choice. Sex education is provided from the age of 10 in Scotland. 6 years of education from various sources should allow those entitled to make a well-informed choice. Besides, youngsters, through every passing generation, are becoming more and more cluey. Polish youngsters are VERY smart, trust me.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
10 Nov 2008 /  #47
Evil will always be here no matter what shiny happy wishes you make.

If you just read my opinion on this point more carefully...

Consider a tree.... the direction of the tree is always towards the bright life giving sun.... the taller and more spread to the sun it is...the more beautiful and healthy it is.... the more kneeling towards the ground it is, the more unhealthy and unpresentable it is....and ultimately dies.

For us...humans.... our soul is the breeding place of our true nature. That is why truthfulness, morality, love, warmth, trust and honesty are what makes our heart bigger...emotions bring tears or joy or longing in our eyes. We are made up of it.

However, the planet is a material realm. The dust of this material world...falsehood, immorality, darkness, lust, greed....get wrapped around us, and when we dont try to clean ourselves of it constantly....it gathers and covers us so densly that only the dust is seen on our unhealthy selves...and the soul dies... a pile of dust remains.

Do u really think that girls with hormones should go through their entire Uni life without having sex?

Exactly....same for the men. But its not that I MAKE THEM... its their freedom. They are to choose between the paths....just like many I know. And its not absurd. And I dont mind someone else taking another route.

Sex education is provided from the age of 10 in Scotland.

When human civilization prospered...it didnt need this education. The greatest education is from a responsible pair ... parents... and then comes friends and community.

Canibalism is acceptable in some civilizations, Capital punishment in others.

We need to walk ahead with time. Cannibalism is a crime.

Capital punishment should be enforced in cases which need it.

Polish youngsters are VERY smart, trust me

I know... I am a relatively fresh graduate myself :) ... and one of the active youths of Poland....we have our club with many recruits...and will spread in entire Europe soon. Youths for change... the unity, integrity and love for the entire world.
z_darius 14 | 3,964  
10 Nov 2008 /  #48
the more kneeling towards the ground it is, the more unhealthy and unpresentable it is....and ultimately dies.

Nice and poetic metaphor. Does it show how praying on one's knees is unhealthy, or immoral? Or do you mean doggy style is immoral?
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #49
a pile of dust remains.

A theory only...your view of how it goes. You just wax poetic and don't really say anything most of the time.
Franek 8 | 271  
10 Nov 2008 /  #50
TodaysCondoms Trump Abstinence in Obama Global AIDS Policy (Update1)

By Jason Gale and John Lauerman

Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama will reverse U.S. family-planning and AIDS-prevention strategies that have long linked global funding to anti-abortion and abstinence education, a public-health adviser said.

Public-health policies of President George W. Bush's $45- billion PEPFAR program have brought AIDS drugs to almost 3 million people in poor countries such as Rwanda and Uganda, more than under any other president. Still, requirements that health workers emphasize abstinence from sex and monogamy over condom use have set back sexually transmitted disease prevention and family planning globally, said Susan F. Wood, co-chairman of Obama's advisory committee for women's health.

news. Obama's answer to the AIDS problem.
Shawn_H  
10 Nov 2008 /  #51
We need to walk ahead with time. Cannibalism is a crime.

But who say's you are right? Maybe they should work with us to see the errors of our ways.

Capital punishment should be enforced in cases which need it.

So it is moral to kill another human being?
Seanus 15 | 19,672  
10 Nov 2008 /  #52
Education comes from a variety of sources and influences £odz. Parents undoubtedly play a key role but there are so many irresponsible parents on the go who may pass on harmful advice and info. Education from videos, on the other hand, is rooted in facts and serves to outline the processes of natural biology.

It is absurd to many, sorry. People have biological needs and society promotes sex through magazines etc. Do u propose medals for abstinent individuals and couples?

Talk of the entire world never sits well with me in such contexts, sorry. But good luck with ur ambitious project :)
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
10 Nov 2008 /  #53
Does it show how praying on one's knees is unhealthy, or immoral?

By praying on your knees... you show humility. Humility towards your creator. It is something very beautiful....humility infront of your old professor (no matter how ingenuous you have become)....humility infront of your mother....no matter what she thinks about the economies of scale or the law of marginal utility... care and respect.... love...compassion....HOW CAN THEY NOT BE MORAL? how can they remain without beauty burning all badness like a wild fire on dry leaves!

A theory only...

We can feel love.... when love touches.... its eternal. Proof that its not just theory.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #54
So it is moral to kill another human being?

In my personal morality if it stops them from killing or harming an innocent then yes.

If someone is killing for pleasure or control then no.

I know people can try to tear it apart and nitpick but it really is clear to me.

We can feel love.... when love touches.... its eternal. Proof that its not just theory.

BS...you feel 'something' and you call it love thereby elevating it to some grand status. Proves nothing other than you have a reaction to a stimulus.
z_darius 14 | 3,964  
10 Nov 2008 /  #55
Sorry boat, but you are spewing poems, not arguments.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #56
A bit like you...words words and more words regardless if they actually mean anything. It is common in a certain European culture where people try so very hard to sound intellectual.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
10 Nov 2008 /  #57
So it is moral to kill another human being?

No... its a crime. The State should have the right to justice. The murderer should be given capital punishment. This is my perception after alot of thought.... I have given a speech in a lawyers forum and found good response. Its was my first in such a big stage :)...my 3rd year :)...hmm... well... nice memories.

People have biological needs and society promotes sex through magazines etc. Do u propose medals for abstinent individuals and couples?

The medals they will receive in their life.... as life itself. Heaven itself....even with a dry bread in their hands....a life that kings envy.

Magazines sells counting on the weaknesses of people. Its not a good culture... its the culture of the vulture. Will not remain forever...I promise you. Mark my words.

There was a time when it was ridiculous that a person would have just one wife...people would laugh. Now we know what is todays world (need no explaining).

Just a few decades ago a black man in USA was subjected to insults and segregation...today he leads that same nation.

As we go ahead in time....the world is bound to be cleaner and cleaner...no matter what we think....morality is victorious in every conditions.

While I was doing my modelling for the suitings.... the cameraman there sat with me... sung a song.... which told about how the tree moves on....towards the sun... how the wound will heal, dont give up your zeal...hmm :)... nice song if I could remember all the lines.... but i remember the tune.

not arguments.

Who told you that I was here to argue with you. I am speaking... talking...just that. Not arguing.

call it love

LOVE is GOD :)...not onli I said it...someone else did too.... investigate if possible.
z_darius 14 | 3,964  
10 Nov 2008 /  #58
A bit like you...words words and more words regardless if they actually mean anything.

I yet have to read one single argument from you in any of the exchanges you decided to throw in some more of your vicious comments.

Spare yourself.
Either offer an argument or just keep your Americunt opinion to yourself.
gtd 3 | 639  
10 Nov 2008 /  #59
As we go ahead in time....the world is bound to be cleaner and cleaner...no matter what we think....morality is victorious in every conditions.

You live in some fantasy world. Yeah some things are greatly improved but some things are very bad and worse.

It must be nice to live in a bubble.

Spare yourself.
Either offer an argument or just keep your Americunt opinion to yourself.

How about....no? :) I will say what I like without your permission or approval.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
10 Nov 2008 /  #60
Dont worry.... all will get better. Women have equality.... children got better future.... or atleast we are all aware. Try to understand the positive. You will realise whats happening.

It must be nice to live in a bubble.

Thats why I dont live in it. Its a mammoth task to speak the truth of the SUN to those who avoid seeing it....or never looked up.

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