Air-show accident in Poland

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This is really not what one wants to see at an airshow.
Condolances to the families of the pilots.

true porta and indeed on condolances

i flicked on the news early this morning and saw it and a male friend of mine just came out with "woah fuk jeeesss" and had a rather shocked look on his face .. the zoom on the camera filming is quite intense!

I was there right in front of the accident and it was horrific, to see people's eyes full of tears was shocking even for myself god bless their souls

it was awful. How a mistake that was. I am really sad for it....
God give their family peace for their souls.

I did not hear anything about this. However, I do know that quite a lot of pilots in training have been killed in Poland as they use, or at least used, old Russian training equipment and aircraft. Often, the engines would simply blow in use, up but I do not know the nationalities of the plans or details in this instance. I never really know why they allow air shows as someone is always killed flying old aircraft which should really be in a museum. They fly old aircraft from the last war, which are not maintained in the way they should be and are, after all, over sixty years old. A plan has to be used all the time or all sorts of things go wrong with tubes and petrol pipes and the little motors which are used to drive the flaps. I am always quite pleased to see the plans in the safe environment of a closed in museum where people can just walk around the plans and see them at close quarters.

This was the 1st air crash at a air show in Poland and at the moment before you start with "in the old days jargon", I suggest you have a little respect and keep your opinions to yourself when you quite obviously know nothing about the modern Poland.

michal,again with the total tosh.
First off my heart goes out to all involved in this tragedy.
back to michal,though i dont know why i bother. To say the old planes are not maintained is absolute crap,and if you actually new anything about the subject you would have just stayed under what ever rock you normally lurk beneath. Coming from a family chock full of Pilotsgoing back to the first world war, I have to say that NO Pilot would ever get in a plane that had not been maintained to the highest of standards. All modern and vintage aircraft have to undergo rigorous "m o t s" during every flying season. The vast majority of the parts used in the vintage planes are actually newer than the parts used in those commercial aircraft you see above your head every day.

Accidents happen and its a god awfull shame but thats just the fortunes of flight.
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oh and one word michal...KONKORDSKI.....

And what a cock up that was

Excuse me, I do know something about this topic and it is not only 'I remember when...' in fact one of my relations from near Czestochowa who I knew from a little boy always wanted to be a pilot and we all thought of course that it was 'one of those things', all children have dreams when we are young after all but he 'stuck to his guns' and was successful in being offered a training place in the military as a helicopter pilot and he has been flying in Iraq with the Polish forces there. When he started his training he already had found his girl for life but had to agree to put off his marriage for five years as the dangers are so real and he has to wait before gaining permission to marry. It is not rubbish at all and many accidents have taken place over the years in Poland, especially during training because of old Russian equipment. I am talking of course in military matters not civilian as I have little knowledge of that area but Deblin, where he studied is very well known throughout Poland as the military training ground. I do indeed know something of what I am talking about as he being one of my family is a serving Polish airman-in fact I even wore his father's wellington boots this morning as I washed my car! His father, as it happens, makes them as a living! I add of course that things have probably improved with more modern Western equipment but there are always dangers. Have the English fogotten how a few years ago a helicopter crashed on its way back from Northern Ireland and came down in the Peak District with sever loss of life. It happens all the time,even in the U.K. Mind you, I can understand that it does not detract fromhow upsetting it must be to actually be there and witness something like that at first hand.


My grandfather was a First World War pilot in the Royal Flying Corps and he too had a very bad accident. It is you who really knows nothing whatsoever. Accidents happen very often indeed.


Yes, exactly, another 'accident' if I remember rightly at the Paris Air Show some years ago (twenty odd?).

your points being what exactly,you seem to make more posts that contradict your previous ones than any other type............I find myself stiking up for you in some threads then out you pop here acting like a complete fool. People have died,you felt that was your cue to launch another of your anti polish attacks with drivel about 60 year old planes should be only in museums,people corrected you and instead of retiring in good grace you make up storys about having members of your family in just about every airforce in europe and then ill informed snidy comments (ok,sorry for brining up konkordski but that was to show you that accidents happen anywhere) about something which is underserious investigation for foul play namely the shitehook that was full of senior inteligence agents that "crashed" in Scotland,not the peakdistrict.

so,you washed your car,here in the UK,in your polish freinds fathers wellington boots,you really are a prize muppet arnt you michal,i think i shall join the ranks and ask. just WTF are you doing on this forum?

Are you sure you two aren't a couple either ?

Not a nice comment is it ?

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There are no Russian/Soviet training aircraft in the Polish Air Force. So much for your "knowledge", Kmiotty. And the pilots, who died in the accident weren't even from the air force.

I have no idea as we do not have such news in England at all.


So, somewhere on the England-Scotish border-what is the difference to us at the end of the day?


Maybe not now but up until recently there was plenty. Remember too that LOT aircraft were all or were mostly Russian aircraft until they changed and bought Boeing from the united States of America. There was a famous crash near Warsaw when I was in Gdansk as a Russian made Polish plan was returning from New York and ploughed into forest near to Warsaw airport. I think it would have been about 1986 or 1987 but I do remember the incident and it was certainly a Russian plane being flown on behalf of Poland LOT. Everybody died on the plan including a girl who worked in a cafe in Bochnia, a friend of mine pointed out the little restaurant on a street corner where she had worked as we walked around the town just after the event.


I did not say that I have members in every air force in Europe. I said that my wife's sister's boy, who comes from near Czestochowa is in the Polish Air force and flies helicopters in Iraq. Is it difficult for you to understand my words? Are you just a little thick? Would you rather that I write it all again in Polish for you, if that is your better language?


Sorry, it should be plane!


In fact as an extra P.S. a famous Polish woman singer also died on the plane and has a daughter who became quite famous in her own right as a singer in later years. I can not remember her name but someone can fill me in I am sure.


As I say you may be right in 2007 but when I was in Poland in the 1980's, all Polish military equipment came from the former Soviet Union.

no difference at the end of the day, but it was on the Mull of Kintyre, quite a bit away from the border.

Ok now we're officially worried

Counting from one to ten not rooted out the Gremlin? Try one to five instead?

Any more advice would be good please mate after you've had a small drink to celebrate. Can one drink with tranquilisers

No. You simply don't have any idea about the issue.

Pretty much so...

WTF? Are you seriously that retarded? Poland's Air Force does not have freaking bi-planes. They've got Mig-29s and are going to recieve over 100 F-16s from the US in the very near future. You call those old? 10 years ago Mig-29's were considered the best jets in the world. That's nothing if you look at the life-line of planes. The B2 Bombers are expected to be in use until 2040 by the USAF.

How the hell are they going to flying propellar powered planes today?

Not true as my mother called me this morning from the UK to ask about it.
What gets my goat about this more than anything else Michal is why you look for every opportunity to desperately think up something to post about the old Poland when it has no relevance to the subject. I can go on about that I was at the show with my wifes uncle who is a Air Vice Marshal in the Polish air force and was giving me all the information about the Polish air force, which does not fit your description in one Iota, but what is the point all I would do is masturbate my ego, which you plainly want to do all the time. Oh and can I be childish as well IT IS PLANE NOT "PLAN" AS YOU SPELLED IT you damm fool!!

Errrrr Michal I am leaning towards Ukpolska.. really the whole "old Poland" thing
has nothing to do with the fact that two Human beings died.

This is very tragic.. It was online Aol this morning and I seen how they collided.
they had no chance at all. and their families so heartbroken..

I am sad but also very glad to hear that no one else ( on the ground) was hurt
we have had similar accidents at our airshows in the U.S.

My deepest condolences to their families.

First off, my condolences to the family and friends of the pilots, and those who were there to witness it!

Second, I would say the majority of accidents in these situations more than likely can be attributed to Pilot error and not faulty equipment, Michal. These men are up there performing stunts.....there is bound to be an element of danger.

Yes, it is tragic but happens all the time in Poland. Aircraft are badly maintained and the pilots want to show off doing loop-the loop and so there are always tragedies.


That is simply not true. It is an almost daily event in Poland.


That is simply not true. It is an almost daily event in Poland.


Yes, I totally agree and they have 'signed up' to those sort of dangers.

Michal What are you smoking today??

thats just way out there !! did you not get to exzaggerate when you were a child?
so now your making up for it on a polish forum?

I think something happened to one of the pilots before this happened. They practice
these maneuvers all the time for these shows.

Anyone got any calm tablets I need them Grrrrrrrrrrr

Breath IN and OUT slowly :)))

LOL !!!!1

Gin key hehe Just remembered I have a wonderful wife and daughter and a fantastic life, my business is doing great and life is too short to waste my time and energy on a pathetic dinosaur like him. "Ah self masturbation isn't too bad once you get the hold of it" pardon the pun!!

you are right.. he has issues with being popular on the board apparently
he likes the negative attention..

wow love,get a sense of humor or remove the broom handle,one or the other...........

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you dumb shmuck,its difficult for any sane, rational person to understand your words you disrespectfull,spitefull little man...as for writing it all again in Polish,go ahead,waste your time if you like,you obviously have plenty of that.....

I am sorry but people do die every day. Three quarters of a million people die in the United Kingdom every year, two people die on Britain's roads every day and God forbid it ever being one of my own children. I can not change life and our futures are to some extent already written. Did the people in 9/11 have a choice-they did not even volunteer, it was simply terrorism. What about the Greek cypriat plane that crashed because the temperature control went wrong and air force planes were called up to see what was wrong and passengers were seen trying to control the plane but all in vain, the plane simply lost altitude and petrol and crashed in to a hill side but we do not talk about these people because they were not Polish, well, I suppose that is understandable as it is a polish Forum, but we must keep things in proportion here.