Stern, as clearly as possible?? Nonsense, how come 4500 were injured and 1300 killed? The IDF targetted major civilian areas and bombed from above. That's absurd!!
The IDF use human shields too and I'll show you evidence if you wish.
As to kicking butt; you can have a piece of my 6'5" 270 lbs anytime. It's easy to threaten behind a computer - knock it off.
You misunderstood me. It wasn't a threat at all. What I meant was, if I get approached by racists or being attacked by them for no other reason than me being Jewish, then I will defend myself and I will kick som *ss then. I'm 6 ft 4, give or take, don't know my weight, but I'm considered a pretty impressive statue in general. I hardly ever have fought in my life though, and when I did, I was attacked.
But you, sir, you need to go on a diet with 270 lbs :)
Same here, I never thought much about people being Jewish or not, until I kept hearing all the anti-Polish assaults, especially the myths. I am looking forward to seeing a movie about Jewish-Soviet alliance against Poles when the Red army came in from the east. The one where Jews pointed out Poles who were summarily shot. Funny how Hollywood hasn't made one yet.
Two things:
1) I for sure accept the fact that Poles have suffered severely during WW2 and in fact, everybody in the West knows that. There is no evil Jewish scheme to withold that information as it is already widely know. Both Jews and Poles have suffered tremendously during the war and on both sides there was collaboration and there were victims betrayed by their own ppl. Or are you trying to tell me that no Pole was ever betrayed by another Pole? Come on, you can't be serious if you think so. Also, the number of Jewish Kapos SEEMS bigger because they always take the Police in the Ghettos into the count as well. Also, there were for some odd reason more Jews present in KZ's than other ppl, so it makes logical sense that there would be a little more (which is not the case, by the way) Jewish Kapos. A difference was that the Jewish Kapos got "rewarded" for their services with the gaschamber and the Polish et al Kapos did not end up in crematoria. There''s a subtle difference there. I'll leave the question of participating out of free will open. A certain amount of force will always be present.
2) Concerning the "assaults" on the Poles. I think Jews and Poles are being offended on this forum likewise. I for one have never assaulted anybody on this forum for the mere reason that he or she was Polish. I didn't get attacked on my Jewishness that much either, besides the occasional oddball. So in all, I think it's kinda overstated to mention that there is such a huge amount of attacks on Poles and/or Jews. Both ppl suffered beyond imagination and I personally think that all that crap should be over with now. It's the 21st century and there simply is no room anymore for an attack on anybody merely based on ethnicity. It's old fashioned and it's time to look to the future, not the past. Learn from the past, enjoy today and look forward to a bright future.
>^..^<
M-G (is sure he forgot to mention a few things, and is also sure he will be reminded of this)
Sorry to inform you that 25% of all scientific nobel prices are pure semitic Jews
LOL ! That's because you give them to yourselves.
These Jews you contempt and hait so much !
Yep. The chuvanist obsessed with genetical structure of nations, always willing to throw tonnes of s*it at Goys and of course all of that in the name of defese against anitisemitism... Isn't that beautiful ? Oy vey !!!11
What I know about the revolt in the Warsaw ghettho is that the A.K sold 50 guns and 55 grenades to the Jews
And those were wasted weapons. "The revolt" was symbolic, had no military meaning and zero chances to suceed in any way. It's a pity people now aren't told what those few dozens of kids fighting in the ghetto were thinking about Jewish diaspora outside of nazi occupied teritories, especially in America. I guess that would be antisemitic.
BTW Israel has lower average IQ than most of Europe. Yawn.
That's not true Greg. The Nobel Committee does that, and they are independent. But I know if there is only one Jew in that committee, some posters here are going to say that the Jews give all the prices to themselves. Yawn indeed!
BTW Israel has lower average IQ than most of Europe
Israël is not in Europe, but in Asia and in Europe the Netherlands and Germany have the highest IQ with 107 on average :)
Credit where credit is due, the Jews have really made inroads in different areas. Yes, they like blocking roads too but they have worked hard to put themselves into favourable positions.
No, Szostak was born in London but lived in Canada for a long time.
Some do and some don't, scrappy. Collusion is big as you will know better than me, living in amongst many Jews in the States. I really don't see Jews here tbh. They know how to manipulate the system, I'll give them that much.
What is also known to me , is that understanding and indifference were the general polish attitude , if not clear satisfaction ... as a result of centuries of catholic brain washing and the broad use of wodka
... which your forefathers were only too happy to provide for them :)
Your understanding of history is on the level of 7 year-old schoolboy. Quite embarrassing really.
The Poles are generally indifferent when it comes to Jews but don't forget about Żegota and the other brave efforts of Polish families that Szpilman mentioned. Let's not forget that it was not the Poles fault that Hitler hated Jews. In fact, although not their fault of course, the Jews brought the Nazis to Poland's doorstep. Yes, Poland was a target anyway but more so for having Jews.
Vodka? Why would a country willingly give themselves up for brainwashing? That doesn't make sense.
In fact, although not their fault of course, the Jews brought the Nazis to Poland's doorstep. Yes, Poland was a target anyway but more so for having Jews.
I only agree partly on your last post, Seanus. Of course the brave Zegota and other Poles who worked bravely against tremendous odds to help their Jewish friends in need are not forgotten and I am sure that many of them have a spot of their own in the path of the Righteous in Israël. Funny that you mention Szpilman, I quite recently saw the Pianist once more and I was again duely impressed by it.
But I disagree on the part that Hitler came to Poland for its Jews. Hitler saw Eastern Europe as the place to be to fulfill his ideas about "Lebensraum" for the German ppl. And what is the first Eastern European country that you come across when going East from Germany? Right, Poland. If he went there for a certain ppl, he went for ALL ppl there: Poles AND Jews. After all, he tried to kill them all, didn't he? So, I don't think it was particularily because of the many Jews Poland had that he came to "visit" Poland.
What I know about the revolt in the Warsaw ghettho is that the A.K sold 50 guns and 55 grenades to the Jews , payed cash and no more .. .
I really don't have the inclination to respond to your anti-Polish posts but your hateful ignorance is too much. The following is a very short version of so much you don't know.
Armed resistance in the ghetto first broke out on January 18, 1943 when a line of Jews were being placed on a death train. They pulled Polish supplied revolvers and fired on their guards. Several additional days of small clashes followed and indeed occasional attacks on the Nazis continued until April. On April 19, 850 Waffe SS pushed a line of Jewish collaborators before them and started down Zamenhoff street. They were met with a shower of Molotov cocktails and assorted gunfire. Two major Jewish groups, the ZOB and JMO fought a guerrilla type war which temporarily upended Nazi plans to take prisoners to the death trains. In particular the JMO installed a pair of Polish supplied heavy machine guns on a house roof. The gunners opened lethal fire killing many unsuspecting Germans (and Ukrainian Jewish collaborators).
As the machine gunners continued to savage the Nazis, their comrades hoisted a Polish national flag next to one of the rooftop gun nests. Then the star of David banner was hoisted. Retreating solders were showered by grenades and pistol shots.
Banners were placed in conspicuous places; some in Polish red and white; some in communist red and some in Zionist colors of blue and white.
Commanding Major General Jurgen Stroop was really getting embarrassed now. It was the second day of the uprising and also Hitler's 54th birthday. He dispersed his troops in an effort to make the Jews fight in multiple locations. Stroop told Himmler that only 9 soldiers had died in the ghetto fighting instead of [the] 300 something. Barrels of gasoline were placed in front of buildings and the exploding fireballs had their ghastly effects. Jews who tried to surrender were gunned down.
By April 24 some 2,500 people had been captured. Stroop forced them into the courtyard of Pawiak Prison and had them shot. He also decided that the collaborating Jews outlived their usefulness and they too were shot.
Yet, blue and white Jewish banners were still visible as well as red and white Polish ones. The Jews fought defiantly and bravely but what is (intentionally?) not well known is that a unit from the Home Army commanded by Captain Henryk Iwanski made early contact with Jewish resistance forces and smuggled arms, ammunition and instructional materials through the sewers or hidden in carts into the ghetto. On the first day of the uprising members of Iwanski's unit were in Muranowski Square and he and 18 of his men including his brother "Waclaw, his sons, Roman and Zbigniew offered to supplement Jewish fighters. They repelled several German attacks. The main Jewish group also had some non Jewish Poles mixed in. (How many know this?)
Iwanski's brother and both his sons were killed in the course of the rebellion. Iwanski was seriously wounded but he and his men managed to guide 34 Jewish fighters thru a tunnel to safety. Several Jews were hidden in his home. (Yes, he and his wife Wiktoria were awarded the Yad Vashem medal). You'll never see this and more in a Hollywood movie.
please read "Man is Wolf to Man" by Janusz Bardach.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Is_Wolf_To_Man
It's an amazing story I read in my studies of the Soviet Union. Essentially, it's about a Jewish Pole whom survives the holocaust and the invading Germany to Poland by fleeing to the Soviet Union, there he fights epic battles for the Red Army only to be labelled a spy and traitor when he returns to Stalinist Russia under the purges. He then resides in a gulag in the kolyma region of Siberia which is the coldest and worst of them all. His story emphasizes survival and how he eventually went back to Poland to meet his beloved family.
It's an amazing story and will make you think in a completely different way of Jewish-Poles and the entire crisis in general.
ps. M-G you should visit Poland again somtime soon. ^_^
Stern, as clearly as possible?? Nonsense, how come 4500 were injured and 1300 killed? The IDF targetted major civilian areas and bombed from above. That's absurd!!
The IDF use human shields too and I'll show you evidence if you wish. Seanus
Dear Seanus
You wonder about the number of Hamas casualties ? I just remind you that the best way to win a war is to defeat the enemy , and this enemy sees death as an achievement : 72 virgins in the Allah'S Paradice .
This explains their kamikaze attitude , and their great loss . This also explain their complete indifference to civilian lives , and they surround themselves with walls of human flesh .
I was personnally in Gaza , and I can insure you as a medical witness , that no jewish soldier has been using human shields , for the simple reason (what else from horribly crual Jews ?) that it doensn't impress any arab terrorist at all .
For instance , Arabs regularly bomb their own brothers in Iraq with an infinite pleasure ...
IDFdoes not strike any building , unless proven by the army intelligence that it's a military target .. Antisemitic will well understand that Jews do not waste valuable and expensive shells only to pleasure the BBC and CNN with horrible pictures of dead children ..
The main weakness of IDF is the great (excessive?) control of civilian lifes saving , at the price of our own soldiers' sacrifice . Our press is generally leftist , our supreme court is overtly loony pro-arabic, as it suits to traditionally marxist judges, that persecute willingly officers for the smallest infraction .. (We have also probems with bad Jews)
The cyncism of the ennemy , and the wild use of children as a weapon ,is well known.
Schools as military fortification for armed force , is a traditional arab strategy.. UNO offices as well ! Poles obviously like it , a good manner to knock the Jews where that hurts ! IDF not only phones previously before bombing , but also throws tracts . Our army , as the jewish army is "moralities junky" !The Arabs know it and use it with an infinite cynicism ..
Like you all !!
Yair Stern tried to save Jews by a naive and quite idiotic manner ! He was just a poet and thought that somewhat humanity lies somewhere in the Hun's heart!
Nobel prices , that's our geshaeft , like schmattes and diamonds !!
No one thinks that yair Stern was a nominated for Nobel price ..Just a fool , a hallucinated dreamer! IDF bombs generally what is to be bombed , 100% doesn't exist even in the Polish army !
Just remember that no pole cried and protested after Berlin became a great ruin full of dead women and children , like Hamburg and Dresden and so on . My parents also didn't !
As if to rub it in, you hire Zionistic people to investigate crimes perpetrated by Zionists. It's a flawed strategy and declinature should apply (i.e don't judge based on vested interest). Richard Goldstone is a Jew and he has no place investigating OCL. Also, aware of this, he may attempt to tip the balance the other way so I don't see getting to the bottom of the matter happening.
So many innocent Palestinians lost their lives with NO Hamas men near. Also, you didn't allow journalists in which was shocking.
Please come to terms with the fact that Zionists went against standard Jews and they caused problems. Rabbis and Zionists are not easy bedfellows.
I guess that Goldstone would have replaced Haim Rumkowsky in the Lodz' ghetto .. Goldstone didn' t interview a single jewish soldier , for the conclusion of his report were still written before he came to the region ..And a pack of harshly pro-arabic lies ..
I'll tell you a short story : In sept 1982, I was a fresh graduate and I served in the flying doctors unit to which I still belong , as a senior reserve officer ..
I was at Beirut airport ,at a field hospital ..An alert sent us to Sidon for rescueing two wounded soldiers and evacuate them to Haifa .
When we arrived on the beach by the camp , a soldier ran toward the helicopter with a little girl in his arms .. The 3 old child had drunk an organophosphorated insecticide and was dying . We took both the child and her islamic mother aboard , and began a resuscitation by intubation,ambu, succion , oxygene , and atropine .
We arrived at Rambam hospital 20 minutes later , where a team was waiting and took her to the ICU .
The day after , I phoned and they told me that the girl was OK .. I am not sure it was true and I fear they wanted to reinsure me .. Anyway! For an arab child , IDF severly endangered , in a enemy country ,two pilots , a mecanician , a medical orderly and a physician .. And a very expensive helicopter !!!
We have no pleasure at making war , and see our guys falling .. Our enemy is able of all possible evil //
I don't wish to see any propaganda videos. As I've already told you, it would take over 50 years to kill as many Israelis at the current rate as the IDF did in 3 weeks in OCL. Doesn't that embarrass you? I've heard accounts from deserters of the IDF about exactly what goes on. I can show you those videos, those that have no spin and are 'straight from the horse's mouth' so to speak.
These rocket attacks are futile and wayward, they have hardly killed any Israeli civilians, truth be told. Politics isn't going to stop the occupation so they resort to rocket attacks. I don't blame them. Mitchell talks peace but it's all rhetoric and politics. Hamas will not recognise Israel and Netanyahu will not stop the illegal settlement building. There can be no peace. There is much hatred as you know.
Why do you stop Palestinians from getting access to their own hospitals? Why do you block those pregnant women? Why is the IDF so afraid of letting journalists in? Why was phosphorous detected in OCL attacks?
The saving of one life, noble as it is, doesn't condone the taking of many more other innocent ones, does it?
During eight years the futile rockets made impossible the life of a whole region .. I' d like see you living with the constant threat of a V 2 falling on your innocent antisemitic brain .. Eight years of terror, and our leading chickens didn' t move the little finger .. Too much is too much! and we did what had to be done .. And I guess that any Goyish army would have killed 15000 Palestinians if not more , instead of us ..
I don't present the other cheek for Jesus was a very bad Rabbi , teaching insanities ..
The land of Judea is the land of the Jews and we have a full historic right to live at home .. The Arabs conquered the land of Israel in the 7th century while they also conquered Spain .. The spanish people delivered their country from the arab occupation in 1492 , after 700 years of arab settlement ..Did spain made an illegal occupation of Spain after the Arab defeat ???
Be serious ! The Judea belongs to the Jews .. I was ready for the partition but between 2000 and 2005 , the arab terrorists killed 1300 civilian Jews by bombing buses and and public places .. After the so-called Oslo peace ! And after we GAVE us lands .
They have definitly lost any right to live on our land , and they only have to reach their homeland : the arab world .. VERY BROAD AND RICH !
When you , poles , will take back to their home the millions of Germans you have expelled to Germany you 'll be allowed to preach !!
Stern is my own name , that of my fathers ..Perhaps a far cousin
Do some geneology - you can start by reading the Ankara document, dated 11 January 1941, that Stern wrote to the Nazis.
Proposal of the National Military Organisation (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the side of Germany.
