Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS

LPR was not the only party in the Polish parliment - PIS chose to make a coalition with them because PIS approved of what LPR represented not because they had no other choice.


For the first time in years the foreign press speaks about our country and the government using words other than 'nationalistic', 'backward' and 'embarrassing'. As I recall, PO promised to improve our international image.

knock your head against the wall pall
I **** on what opinion we have in the world as long as the world respects our interests


misquote - you are like a drunk child in the fog - stop pretending you know anything of significance about Polish politics

TKM - Teraz kurwa my - was allegedly said by one of the Kaczyńskis after AWS won election in 1997

The international image translates directly into our interests being more secure, you fail at diplomacy.

What was the unemployment rate before they left? What I'm trying to say is that there's always a correlation between tough economic times (including high unemployment) and the population voting for extremist parties - either left or right-wing. Would Poland rather tend to vote right or left, maybe even ex-communists?


Rising unemployment in the host countries, or increasing racism against Poles in Ireland or UK for example? I'm not sure how much I can trust the information some folks post on PF, if you know what (and whom [not you]) I mean... ;)


Well, if you sh*t on the world's opinion you won't get much respect in return, do you?

The question might be more - will they find employment? I know some educated people who are openly saying that they wouldn't give employment to someone who worked in a totally unrelated trade in the UK just for the money - as there's plenty of graduates in Poland who might not have experience, but have the desire and hunger that those that emigrated don't have.

It's funny how the standard PiS line is that 'anyone that's against us must be a communist' - have they still not realised that people are not so stupid as to fall for that line anymore?

Having said this, the stupidity of Tusk's 'war on gambling' is shocking - at a time when they're screaming for revenue in the budget, I'm struggling to see who is going to vote for a party that bans gambling!

I must be missing something - what kind of gains you see in Germany and Russia thanks to our 'sleek' diplomacy instead of the one taking care of Polish interests

we've got the dockyards while Germany and France went on to subsidise their shipbuildin industry for years and still do, even not giving a flying **** to what 'Nellie Croes' threatened them - Mr Sarkozy said - we will save our industry and after the crisis is over you try to make us pay for it

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Mikke is a freak not living in the real world - a splendid example of a doctriner

quote=TheOther]Sokrates:
now we're stuck with them for another 5-10 years

Look at the former GDR - they are still stuck with the commies after 20 years. The only difference to the past: instead of being incarcerated by those SED criminals, people vote for them in free elections nowadays (for a reason). Are you really sure that Poland will get rid of the communists within the next 5 to 10 years?[/quote]

you don't see the main difference - there are hardly any judges who were part of communist system of GDR still in power and many many other influential people are no longer influential - this is not the case in Poland

the former GDR Germans can vote (some of course for PDS or Linke - but still they don't gain power there) - they won't be running their courts etc etc

Officially approximately 16%, with the grey zone included? I think around 11%


No, the most likely result in the case of a crisis would be collapse of the current political order since society just doesnt trust anyone enough to handle a situation you describe.


Well if its Europe wide then yeah Polish economy is going to be affected, i cant see racism growing enough without economical collapse though, the cultural gap between Poles and Western Europeans is not just not there for that to happen.


Oh yeah the land of dreams and how Poland should be:)

Seriously though in the event of an economic crisis the most likely result is a total colapse of political elite and emergence of something else rather then a social shift to one particular side, our political system at large is largely fictional in that its inherently incapable of dealing with any major issue.

Poland deals awesomely with the crisis but thats just people being used to having it up the slope whereas in the West you just cant live without a new DVD each week (yes i know i'm hyping).


Sorry Gumishu thats just not true, much of Eastern Germany is run by former commies.

I wonder who are you voting for now hehehee - PO again yeah ??? yes - create new party Sokrates go on - wish you good luck


yeah - and could you name those willing to create a coalition ???

I'm going to vote for the party that i think will damage Poland the least or if i'm pissed enough i'm just not going to vote even though i feel like sh*t when i dont.


I blame PiS for not having a plan on how to develop Poland internally and externally and trying to build their image by cheap provocations typical of communist era, they'd grab some small time corruption case in the govt and make it out like all our economic and diplomatic problems are gone because they're puting some small time thief in the slammer.

Sorry but thats just not benefitting us in any way, its just building their image for the masses while the situation continues to be bad.

you're still not pissed enough with PO - goodness me - they still have so much to privatize - and no CBA will follow them anymore - 2 years of relative paradise for PO-like parasites - will you get eventually pissed with them when they take 10 value of privatized industies?


you're living in outer space man sort of - not in real Poland

sorry - I don't understand what you mean by cheap provocations typical of communist era cause I don't remember any such provocations on the side of the communist - anyway you forget the issue of goal - even if the means were unfotunate the goal was honorable


and it was hardly attributable to corruption - unless you are prejudiced to think so

No, they're incompetent power hungry thieves (just like PiS) but they're slightly better on the international arena, if i had a positive alternative i'd flush both PiS and PO down a crapper together though.


Gumishu dont preach to me, i'm perfectly aware of what PO is doing and they're still not as bad as PiS but they are bad, i chose what i perceive as the lesser of two evils and thats all there is to it.


Bilda case where they arrested a woman on camera like in some sort of reality show without having any solid proof.

Doctor G - where they created a media scandal accusing a doctor of murder in a sensationalist manner and attempted to imprison him without any proof.

Afghanistan scandal - our soldiers fired on civilians by mistake and on American orders and they treated them like worst scum and criminals.

Worst of all they attempted to use these cases as propaganda, you dont destroy your own citizens and sh*t on their rights and liberties to get votes, thats just not right.

yeah you must be living in parallel universe - sorry what was so wrong with PiS - corruption? - giving in to ridiculous EU demands? giving in to Russia for no gains whatsoever (or symbolic)

Corruption, incompetence, ignoring the liberties and laws of Polish citizens, lack of grasp on geopolitical reality, antagonizing our neighbours.


The shipyard situation is also their fault as much as PO, they failed to adress it just as badly as PO did.

Btw, thats the first time in a while that i bumped into hardcore PiS electorate :)

Interesting point. In the west, international experience is almost always an asset. Not so in Poland, that's what you're saying?

Rubbish, never seen that point of view and i worked in several large Polish companies by now.

Generally working experience is welcome, experience in specific trade even more so, the only thing that my current company demands is an e-mail to the previous employer but even thats unusual.

Wonder why no one has touched this piece of shite and SLD? Can't they make a comeback? As soon as they do PO people are perfect for them.

you know what I mean buy ridiculous demands on the side of EU - the demands to stop supporting shipbuilding industry and even to give the help back while at the same time Germany are subsidising their shipbuilding since the 80's and noone has ever given a damn about it

Okay, so like everywhere else. Being "punished" for having worked abroad sounded somewhat unusual to me.


Do you have written references in Poland like they have in Germany for example?


When you're dealing with the bureaucrats in Brussels, don't expect any logic.

How about PSL?

Don't get me wrong - I'm not a big fan ofPO and I would never wish to waste my vote for them. But the only real choice is between PIS and PO so I'd rather pick lesser evil.

how about them not really willing to join in? don't you think PiS would rather have PSL and LPR as coalition partners - PSL + PiS government still had no majority in the Parliament so they would still need LPR cause Samoobrona was out of question for PSL - any ideas - please stop pretending you follow and understand Polish politics - no matter what nationality you are

Sometimes yes, its pretty varied depending on company and position you're applying for.


The situation with the shipyards is that we did not use the subsidies to any reasonable end, EU gave the chance to save our shipyards and we did not, one of the main culprits is PiS.

I'm against closing down our shipyards and i too see it as a fairly hostile move on part of Germany and France but the brutal fact is our goverment could have easily saved our shipyards but the indolence and incompetence of several goverments including PiS led us to the point we're in now, not EU, not Germany and not France, our goverment.

PiS and PO only aggravated the problem and made it critical.

I am not sure you are able to back this view up by any real knowledge, do you?

Socialism like in Europe?

yeah - what is much different in internal PO politics? is it any more liberal economically and less socialistic? in what field? in phraseology?

Like with the knowledge of UE grants to our shipyards during PiS which were squandered?

sorry but can you name actually anything here - do you find the right to steal state money to take bribes and similar a basic human right?? or was there anything else

btw Blida felt she had enough behind her fingernails to commit suicide - I can't think for any other reason why she would

and guess what there was enough of hints to pusue Blida's act

btw I would never call putting peolple to justice destroying them - giving the right name to their deeds is destroying them neither


I am not really sure you are believing what you say - was UE first trying to grant help to Polish shipyards and within a year or so demanding the help from the Polish state to be withdrawn and paid back - or was it perhaps that EU was ready to grant some help on condition MOST of the industry will be shut down and the production of the remaining heavily reduced in effect being near-elimination of the industry (and whose needs would it suit if not subsidised German shipbuilding industry) do you think there is much far play in European politics???


you must be really joking - I don't think you read anything substantial on that case - there was media hype and now the case is gone away - any wonder why? because there was no fault on the soldiers side - someone though really wanted that there was - the fault lay on the side of the equipment - ever heard of faulty mortar sights or similar? - do you think that Polish troops went to Afghanistan with lasers and A-117s?

How do you know it was suicide?


No there's not which is why it was dropped.


For crimes they did not commit?


Yup, that would explain your political standing, a total lack of knowledge, the funds EU gave us were missapropriated, chiefly by your beloved PiS.

because there were Blida's fingertips on the weapon used? in the places normal for holding a gun to fire it?


it was dropped for political reasons after PO came to power - they badly needed to prove PiS was badly misusing the justice system (if you call what PiS did badly misuse what do you call occasions when prosecutors drop cases because the people in question have these or other influential friends)

btw - how old are you Sokrates ???



no Mr Kaczmarek, Mr Blida, Mr Lepper, Mr G. were all inocent people - are you that same innocent???

sorry anything appart from your own words that reflect your believes to back it??

you must have heard that the first year of PO PSL rule - Poland used just a couple percents of 4 year EU funding grant?

as far as I can remember Polish EU services under Mrs Gęsicka were even praised by the European Commision itself for the one of the highest usages of funds available from the EU - like I said you must be living in some parallel reality

Free healthcare for everyone imaginary bollocks..
exploited "becikowe", all the yelling over privatizing hospitals..

and as I can see nobody touched the famous Macierewicz list.. PiS worshippers as always selective, answering only to those statements to which they can compose a lieing answer..

26 why?


Squandering vs spending:)