POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN

Shopgirl, does the quote prove that I seem to think that everybody is after Polish people?

In what way?

Do I mention everybody in the quote, or just Americans?

Did I really apologize for the quote?

Where? :)

Hm, what I encounter on this board is relentless negative branding of Poland and Poles by many participants.

And it seems to upset them when a Pole tries to break their stereotyping.

This negative attitude takes me aback and makes me think: Why don't you call this 'Anti-Polish Forum'?

In this thread, only Fish has posted a well-balanced and rational reply to my posting.

polishforums.com/puzzler_argumenative-16_8217_0.html

The people on this board are here because they do love Poland and all things Polish. You know this! No one here wants Pole bashing or anything of that nature.

i agree with SG - its why i am here too!

Bubba, you have taken Fisz's sentence from another topic and posted it under this topic, trying to create the false impression that Fisz wrote the sentence in this topic.

Well untill youre become less tiring and more interesting I think that you will be seeing this statement a lot.

guilty btw...

Ukipoland, do you mean that my posting about the murder in Italy is tiring and not interesting to you?

What do you expect Puzzler?....I don't have anything against the Poles, but one thing I have noticed about them is.... Do they really have anything decent to say about anyone else?

About you ? Rather not.

Damn. If that's how they treated Poles, hate to see what service Orthodox Slavs could get these days.

I heard from my good friend who is in Italy for some time that current situation is very bad and that Slavs, no matter Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox are considered as sub-people.

I visited Italy few times on my way to France and I can tell that people from North of Italy isn't same as people from the South of country. Differences are not only in life stile but, I can say that gypsy-looking Italians from South are all very noisy, blatant ... their physical look is nothing in compare to Slavic, no wonder they envy us in common. But, fact is, in general Italians don't like Slavs. They used to consider us as slaves and that's how it is even today.

Ah yes, there are exceptions in one part of Northern Italy (particularly in Padania and some few more Nortern (!) regions). People from that zone consider that they are of Slaveno-Celtic origin. When I heard that for the first time, I investigated a little for myself. Hire is what I found...

ITALY: NORTHERN LEAGUE TO HOLD INDEPENDENCE CONGRESS IN PADANIA

highbeam.com/doc/1P1-6347280.html

Lega Nord - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord

Molise Serbs

geodatabase.de/Molise%20Serbs

"A History of the Beam Family", by Prof. Jacob L. Beam of Princeton,
published in 1919- Boii tribes

padan.org/padan/contentid-40.html

Ajgraham asks me: 'What do you expect Puzzler?....I don't have anything against the Poles, but one thing I have noticed about them is.... Do they really have anything decent to say about anyone else?'

- Do you suggest that we dislike everybody? If so, prove it.

In reality, we don't have anything decent to say about those who don't treat us decently.

We have decent things to say about those who treat us decently.

Would it be bad, according to you, pal?

You say: 'I don't have anything against the Poles.'

- Yeah, right.

Your postings show what attitude you really have towards us.

Now if you had any decency at all, you'd apologise to the Poles on your knees.

Crow woke up this thread, so let me add 2 more anti-woomp cents. Daf and all says "don't generalise", "this is a crime of one person" etc. But this situation show very well woomp mentality. Dude had his ass kicked in a bar fight (and It doesn't have to mean that he was a victim, dude was so crazy - I wouldn't be surprised If he provoked that conflict) he couldn't get over that, so took a gun and shot at a house where a completely different family lived and escaped. I really believe that this idiot only wanted to scary them, but It doesn't make It any better. In fact that's worse and show very well that they do things but don't think about results of their actions. Simply woomps.

so your admitting to being racist then? Its not acceptable and thats what we are saying her. to generalise, this is just what you've done. painted all italians with the one brush. and its not true of italians as its not true of irish or Polish G.


With a Polish guy this time - but could be ANY nationality - ANY guy.


spot on until...


Polish people do things like the above, Irish people do, Americans, Chinese, etc. Its not a national trait of any one nation G.

And the whole point is that they don't... In Poland most people would get over that (especailly If they were beaten in equal fight) few others would simply call up a few people, find the guy and make him lose a few teeths. I believe It's the same in Ireland or even China. But the guy had to "defend his honor" shooting at a house (and was too stupid to imagine that he may kill innocent people) which is a result of woomp mentality. This is typical for them - small balls, but a lot of noise made around themselves, bulls*its about defending honor and so on.

Not true, this is a generalisation. we've examples HERE in ireland of Polish drug dealers committing vile acts against other poles who owe them money. These are people taking advantage of other people. I even know one pole who spat at someone for just being german! so you cannot tell me that its a polish trait to spit at people?! its people. individual people.

You cannot paint an entire nation under a single stereotype G. You know it.


Its a stupid mentality alright - but what about all the other stupid mentalitys of other equal or greater crimes?! they are not all whoomps. some are polish, irish, english, american! look at virgina tech shootings! that quy was a nut! yet NOT a reflection of his entire race! That pole I mentioned earlier spitting on a foreigner, that was not a smart mentality act BUT it is NOT the mentality of all poles. PROVING yet again you cannot advocate racism for the crimes of individuals. You wouldnt even be discussing it if it it was an irish child or english or german. so its a double standard here too.

Focus on the actual crime - the murder of an innocent child. do not create more stupidity from an already stupid and tragic crime.

daffy

I am also against generalisation but, we realy can speak about mantality in general (when we speak about some ethos).

So, in one hand you are right. On the other side, I understand Grzegorz`s position.

I understand G's position too crow. I dont agree with it is the point.
We cannot accuse all Italians are potential child killers over the inexcusable behavior of BOTH men! She was an innocent bystander and we should not let racism sully her needless death.

Sorry to say, but i do. He said he was sorry for it and that it was not how he normally behaves and i accept that - but the point holds to illustrate my point - should We paint all Poles for his actions? nie.

However daffy tries to twist and turn facts, there's clearly a pattern of abuse of Polish people in Italy, including murder. Quite a few Polish people have been murdered by Italians so far. The Italian media hateful brainwahsing seems to be responsible for the Polonophobic attitude of many Italians. These are facts.

Mass atitudes, both negative and positive, exist, buddy.

It's funny that daffy mentions the alleged wrongdoings of the Polish people in Ireland, including the alleged anti-German abuse. What was this stuff about the spitting at a German? Was it caused by Germanophobia? Got any evidence for that?

How about the German abuses e.g. of the Polish people who work in Germany?

Do they show the characteristics of a Polonophobic pattern?

I've got an opinion from a Belgian newspaper that the Germans generally dislike the Poles.

Is the Belgian hack lying?
:)

East Europeans have both been murdered and murdered people in Ireland.....I don't know the stats, but it is reported, though seem to be more the Lithuanians who are involved.

In the last few months, several Poles have died here, mostly accidental, one drown, 2/3 in Belfast in a house fire.

All new groups will be taken advantage of, and in certain areas/types of people will abuse them...not new....happens to all everywhere!

It happens in Belfast in particular.....racist capital of Europe...don't surprise me.......!!!

Frank, I've got problems with your use of the expression 'East Europeans.' It seems to me obsolete and coldwarrish. Can you speak of specific nations, please? Or maybe you don't consider us Poles a nation, just a part of some vague 'East European' mass?

I know about at least one case of a Pole murdered in NORTHERN IRELAND for racist reasons.

But I wouldn't say that this murder is an expression of a mass Irish attitude.

With Italy and Italians it seems to be another story.

Well...in our county...2000 plus East Europeans....only 25 Czech/Slovaks....and maybe 100-200 Lithuainians/Latvians......so VAST majority are Poles.


Seems....really..?...or you perosnally don't like it....take it up with daffy.......:)...lol

So Puzzler....answer me a question....why do Italians not like Poles....or is it mutual?.........

You're confusing me with you - I dont twist peopls posts and original meanings


There is plenty of evidence if you actaully read the news! there are Polish, Lithuanian, Czech MURDERERS as well as ITALIANS FRENCH ENGLISH. get real will you, Following your logic your saying poles have never murdered any poles OR murdered anyone else? As to the spitting on a german tourist - older members will know about this too.


I've got an opinion that you dislike italians for example :eyesrolling:


Ireland is West of Poland. Poland is East of Ireland. Its a simple matter of expression and being called central or eastern european is such a shallow point of contention

Thats right Daffy......you show him.....!!!

Interesting... :)

Actually.... the whole world is round

exactly - its all 'perception'



already dealt with it

But you're talking about criminals. The woomp wasn't a criminal. He's in mid 30s and no criminal record before that.


Which both men ?