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Liga Polskich Rodzin- A worthy option?


OP Filios1  8 | 1336  
20 Jul 2009 /  #31
ha ha, very cute, filios.

Your legs, they look delectable... ;)

So, do you guys think the party is way too liberal for Poland?

Yes. However, I think any parties agenda that doesn't include ridding the country of Jews, Arabs and Negroes is too liberal.
Oh, and Scots.
:) :)
Ironside  50 | 12383  
20 Jul 2009 /  #32
Being paranoid pays off when considering the big picture, if Poland would be paranoid in 1926 by 1939 it would have a powerfull modern army able to maybe not beat but definitely stop Germany, but Poland was not paranoid.

Well, antebellum Poland had no monies to amply equip army .........

What is so stupid about buying land, Sokrates? I really fail to see your point here.

The land should be first returned to rightful owners !!!!!

So, how much do resident Poles know about LPR? Let's get back on track.

Not much as its not interesting subject, how much residents of Poland know about any party, and whenever that knowledge is true?
aphrodisiac  11 | 2427  
20 Jul 2009 /  #33
I think it, and Naprzod Polska will only grow in size and voters.

is it growing though. It would be a good indication of its near future.

Gertych should get a better haircut;). I personally cannot stand him, nor the party.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #34
Tusk can sign deportation orders now if he wants :)

Edited

OK, Crowie, I believe you. You are on a mission :)
Crow  154 | 9310  
20 Jul 2009 /  #35
Crowie did with his messages

i`m innocent. Practicaly virgin
OP Filios1  8 | 1336  
20 Jul 2009 /  #36
Allowing abortion? I doubt that.

Where did it say that they allow abortion?
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #37
They are an ultra-conservative party :( Too liberal???? You must be kidding!!

Sorry, Filios, temporary aberration :(
OP Filios1  8 | 1336  
20 Jul 2009 /  #38
The LPR opposes

legalization of abortion

Aha, the battery running low in your head again? : D
PlasticPole  7 | 2641  
20 Jul 2009 /  #39
legalization of abortion,

LPR opposes it. That's one part that doesn't fit the liberal agenda...So, Seanus, it's easy to see why you would think they want to legalize it ;)
OP Filios1  8 | 1336  
20 Jul 2009 /  #40
LPR opposes it. That's one part that doesn't fit the liberal agenda...

You still here, mystifying me with your vulnerable state? :D
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #41
Simple slip :)
PlasticPole  7 | 2641  
20 Jul 2009 /  #42
Ever so mystifying, filios, haha
Seanus, you confused me with all that pro abortion talk. They aren't liberal at all...quite the opposite. They are hardliners from the right, for sure.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #43
Very much so. Ultra Catholic and not very forgiving. Frankenstein is draconian for sure ;)
OP Filios1  8 | 1336  
20 Jul 2009 /  #44
Co, nie chce sie gotowac?;)

Wole świeże mięsko :D :D

LPR are a disaster.

No, actually their voting rate has remained steady in recent years.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #45
I meant their policies, Filios. They represent all manner of sins and that's a tragic irony. They are a laughing stock amongst many here.
aphrodisiac  11 | 2427  
20 Jul 2009 /  #46
No, actually their voting rate has remained steady in recent years.

what is the rate
OP Filios1  8 | 1336  
20 Jul 2009 /  #47
They represent all manner of sins and that's a tragic irony

Well, from what I've made out of them, they would have to rid themselves of a few of their more 'ancient' policies, and modernize a few more. I'm sure they would still have appeal, because the far majority of Poles are conservative in their leanings.

Anti gay-marriage is one policy that is popular, and not only in LPR agenda.
Abortion-Euthanasia even are about split.
Capital punishment? Land ownership? Probably the least popular..

LPR's problem is that they have a very weak image in media. They are made a laughing stock because of newspapers/magazines and privately owned television outlets.

Worst amongst them being Jewish owned Angora.

The LPR was created just before the elections in 2001 and gained 8%.

In the 2004 elections to the European Parliament LPR received 15,2 % votes, which gave it 10 out of 54 seats reserved for Poland in the European Parliament. This made the LPR the second largest party in Poland in that election, second only to the liberal conservative Platforma Obywatelska


In the 2007 elections LPR again received 8% of votes, but saw its seats reduced from 38 to 34.

I couldn't find any recent election results. It seems that constant pressure from media outlets have caused the party to start decaying, slightly. My guess is that the European Parliament elections gave many liberals a scare. 15% is no small achievement.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #48
PiS have modernised and this is why they commanded more support.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
20 Jul 2009 /  #49
I couldn't find any recent election results. It seems that constant pressure from media outlets have caused the party to start decaying, slightly.

Slightly? They're finished in Poland. Most of the ones remaining that had any integrity ended up joining Naprzód Polsko, which contested the European election under the PSL banner.

As far as I know, they didn't win anything (though the PSL side of the coalition did).

PiS have modernised and this is why they commanded more support.

I think most people realised that it was idiocy to split the pseudo-Catholic Right vote and decided that PiS represented the best way to keep homosexuals from marrying. That, and the fact that the hard right wing parties discredited themselves.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #50
A bit like Lepper and Self Defence. His scandal cost him dearly.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
20 Jul 2009 /  #51
To be honest, PiS were morons for going into coalition with them and LPR to begin with. They probably would've managed to survive for the whole term if they had tried to rule by consensus (ala what the SNP have done in Scotland) as opposed to needing to jump into bed with idiotic right wing parties in order to force through their policies. Certainly, some aspects of their manifesto would have been voted for by the SLD and others would have been voted for by PO - both of which would have gave them above 50%.

Their desperation to rule by force as opposed to by consensus has probably cost them their chance of actually winning power in the next few years.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
20 Jul 2009 /  #52
It's a bit like the coalitions of old, the Lloyd George thing. It shows that power is more important than policy :(
Ziemowit  14 | 3936  
20 Jul 2009 /  #53
The LPR is a song of the past. Of course, it will have its supporters, but it will be unable to attract mainstream voters, thus to escape its fate of a marginal party. Their "youth" arm, Młodezież Wszechpolska, was causing them such a trouble that even Mr. Giertych thought it sane and sensible to break with them (officialy, at least). That was in vain, though, as the general public seems unconvinced for the way they do political business. I'm am sure the public will still remain unconvinced as it remembers too well that even Jarosław Kaczyński couldn't stand them any more (J. Kaczyński, whether you like him or not, may have been wrong forming a coalition with the LPR and Samoobrona, yet he remains a fully predictable politician).

These are very simple thruths and very simple political facts which make the discussion of a possible revival of the LPR fruitless and useless. I'm sorry (better say: I'm glad) to dissapoint any of their prospective friends.
Harry  
20 Jul 2009 /  #54
No, actually their voting rate has remained steady in recent years.

No it hasn't. In the 2007 election they got 1.3% of the vote and thus zero seats in the parliament.

Worst amongst them being Jewish owned Angora.

What does a rabit have to do with Polish politics?

If you mean Agora, that company is not Jewish-owned. But why let facts get in the way of your bigotry?
lesser  4 | 1311  
24 Jul 2009 /  #55
I'm not against foreigners buying land as a rule but it should be monitored so for example Siergiei Comunistowski from Moscow doesnt buy land on an important energy route or that Russia doesnt use the pretext of its citizens property being harmed as justification of an invasion in the future, Poland is not UK we do not live on a comfy island.

They could find plenty of such cheap excuses, it would be better to raise some fake but theoretically more important issue. However in this case nothing depends from Warsaw.

So, how much do resident Poles know about LPR? Let's get back on track.

Not much, however they don't know much more about any other party. In modern times everything depends from media imagine, those who control most of media outlets are more likely to win (mediocracy). They create trends, views and cultural development in the society. There are very few people who are smart enough and willing to follow who is who. What is more many of them use this knowledge to achieve personal goals rather to try to solve the state. Also because they are aware that second option is utopian in mediocracy.

LPR opposes it. That's one part that doesn't fit the liberal agenda...So, Seanus, it's easy to see why you would think they want to legalize it ;)

Abortion is anti-liberal per excellence. While LPR indeed is not liberal, neither any other mainstream party in Poland.

PiS have modernised and this is why they commanded more support.

PiS wish to gather more voters, thus they are trying to avoid to make comments about issues considered to be controversial (of course except personal pushing with other mainstream parties). This is how political parties become part of the mainstream, they must hold hardly any views and if they do they must keep it in secret.

I think most people realised that it was idiocy to split the pseudo-Catholic Right vote and decided that PiS represented the best way to keep homosexuals from marrying. That, and the fact that the hard right wing parties discredited themselves.

Kaczynski brothers manage to fool many voters, they will lose this support in my opinion. While homosexual "marriage" is hardly election issue in Poland. Currently this is all about PR battle between PiS and PO. This would be difficult to point out any particular issue that could play important role. It is all, a complete farce.

A bit like Lepper and Self Defence. His scandal cost him dearly.

Nothing like this, simply PiS managed to attract these group of voters that voted for SO and LPR before.

To be honest, PiS were morons for going into coalition with them and LPR to begin with. They probably would've managed to survive for the whole term if they had tried to rule by consensus (ala what the SNP have done in Scotland) as opposed to needing to jump into bed with idiotic right wing parties in order to force through their policies. Certainly, some aspects of their manifesto would have been voted for by the SLD and others would have been voted for by PO - both of which would have gave them above 50%.

Actually PiS achieved their main goal, I mean eliminated LPR and SO (which is certainly not right wing by any standards). LPR tried to keep this coalition as long as possible. Giertych tried to convince Lepper and Kaczynski to go on. He could not succeed because PiS had different plans from the start.

Their desperation to rule by force as opposed to by consensus has probably cost them their chance of actually winning power in the next few years.

No, it is the media factor.

The LPR is a song of the past. Of course, it will have its supporters, but it will be unable to attract mainstream voters, thus to escape its fate of a marginal party

It depend what you call marginal, there will be always a place for national-minded party. You have NF in France, BNP in the UK, growing NPD in Germany. Berlusconi regularly ally his party with nationalists. I dare to say that all of above mentioned parties from big European states are much more controversial than LPR. So is Jobbik from Hungary, SNS from Slovakia or Ataka from Bulgaria. People in Poland lacking the wider picture and this is a fact that LPR belong to one of the softest nationally minded parties in Europe.

These are very simple thruths and very simple political facts which make the discussion of a possible revival of the LPR fruitless and useless.

Maybe this brand has not great future but sooner or later under different banner with different people they will be back in Sejm.

If you mean Agora, that company is not Jewish-owned. But why let facts get in the way of your bigotry?

Ownership structure, this is great secret. Once I have read a book of former journalist of Gazeta Wyborcza (Stanislaw Remuszko) and thus I know that these issues were kept in secret from the very beginning. However one cannot deny that they run highly pro-Jewish line. If Polish nationalists verbally clash with Jewish nationalist, it seems to be fair battle in my opinion with both sides being biased against each other.
OP Filios1  8 | 1336  
27 Jul 2009 /  #56
that company is not Jewish-owned

Source?

Does the name Luczywo ring a bell? Gazeta Wyborcza, most widely circulated newspaper is a flag-ship of Agora.

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