Polish Japanese relations (history and present time)

And they like german in their mangas! :)

er,domo aregato seanus san kiri toshiro mifune sushi banzai!

Dou itashimashite isthatu2. Mainichi, anata ha PF de? Sugoi desu ne?

OK, English from now on

I'm not sure if "feel sorry" is the correct terminology. I don't feel sorry for any who died during the war - People die in wars, from World War II to the Hundred Years War; that's just how it is. However, if you're asking whether they have my respect and admiration, yes, any fighting man (or woman) does, regardless of whether or not I agree with their political ideology or the ideology of the head of state they are serving. In the example you provide, my strong disagreements with certain parts of the philosophies of Hitler and Joseph Stalin do not minimize my respect for their combat forces, regular army or otherwise.


Yes, I would, because Japanese actions in World War II were not motivated out of the desire to eliminate any specific group, but out of a nation's natural and healthy drive for expansion. Japan was only playing the game that England, France, and Spain had been playing for centuries. After all, the first nation to use concentration camps was the United Kingdom - on Boer men, women, and children in South Africa.


Yes, I would. I respect the combat forces which fought for Germany in World War II, regardless of their aggression on Polish soil. I have no respect for some of Germany's political leaders at the time, but soldiers are men who follow orders out of love for and devotion to their country: That is true whether the blood which flows through one's veins is Polish, German, or Japanese.

It should also be noted now that I do not dislike Germans; I admire many aspects of German culture. However, I do tend to get fed up at times with the immature state of relations between Germany and Poland.


I do have ancestors who served in the Polish armed forces during the war, and know many who lost family during the German occupation, so if you're going to attempt to make the "Japanese atrocities made the Germans look like innocent schoolboys!" argument, you're not going to get very far. ALL sides in the war committed atrocities, Axis and Allies.

bathed in admirable sentiments,but still a completly psycopathic view point imho.
lets see,Ive just checked,you are an american yes,right,how do you feel about those issen goren who murdered your fellow countrymen on the Battan death march?Or lets bring it up to date,are you quite so gushing in your admiration for the soldiers of the Iraqi resistence?Or how about the "soldiers of god" who flew planes into your cities a few years back? No,I dont know you,but Ive met plenty of your type,most of whom have an admiration for hitler and a swastika blood banner hanging in their garage......

You're entitled to your opinion, but I find that you're being a bit judgmental of a view point which dares to wander outside of your sphere of morality.


Do you want me to speak honestly? I abhor the atrocities, as they are unnecessary and do not achieve stated war objectives, but are simply mindless brutality. However, I do not abhor neither the people nor the army which commits those actions. I'm no peacenik; not even close. I support the ongoing occupation of Iraq if it will bring economic benefits, but at the end of the day, the average Iraqi militant has my respect as much as anyone else. He has family and friends, and he fights for a cause, the same as anyone throughout history.


I don't think the Nazis would take me, due to my (proud) Slavic heritage, nor do I wish to be associated with their politics or their history. You're simply slinging mud with this comment.

Yes,I am,and for that I apologies,way outa line. The more you write the more I appreciatte your view points and infact share many of them.

He's a good contributor isthatu2. For an American (no offence intended), he offers broad and well thought through accounts of many matters, not tainted by bias. I admire his individualism the most. This was how Americans were supposed to be but the Jewish media pulled the wool over many of their eyes. Hats off to his rational, largely unprejudiced analyses.

No,I ,now with a cool mind,see this clearly seanus,I hope he accepts my apology in the genuine spirit it was meant to be in and not just as a shallow platitude.

It's all banter. I'm sure it'd be a tamer discussion in a pub. He'll accept it.

Aye,but it didnt come across as banter from me,Im actually quite ashamed of myself,although the wishfull thinking "if only" attitude did get my hackles up,rather too close to all the "if only hitler "this and that ....but Im sure that wasnt JPs intention.

Anyone can take the bait from time to time

Apology accepted. Don't fret; I enjoy passionate debate as much as anyone = )


I appreciate that sentiment, Seanus.

I shall hopefully get the opportunity to expand my mind even moreso, as we all should, as I travel a bit more in the years to come.

Anyway, let's get this thread back on a positive note: It's a celebration of the positive state of relations between two fantastic cultures!

It is discussion about Polish Japanese relations I don't see the reason why we should talk about English occupators robbing and raping Asia who ended in Japanese camps ... I agree Chinese were vicitms in WWII and it shows Japanese in bad light.

For me Japanese people are very interesting nation and I respect their culture.

2 cultures I know fairly well, having spent 6 of the last 7 years in these countries. I was lucky enough to learn first-hand about their culture from conducting voice classes (convos). They are a very superstitious bunch and are curious about foreigners. Their excessive work ethic and karoshi are bad sides but I loved my time there and are worth exploring. Poland is also steeped in history and has a past not too dissimilar to Scotland's in certain ways. Vodka and sake are the glue of the respective societies ;)

so lets just pish on all the poles who had been occupating lithuania /western belarus etc then sent to stalins camps then eh? your a sick bunny lukasz.If I didnt know you were such a low life when it comes to matters like this I would attempt to educate you ,but,that would be pointless as you think only your nations suffering counts.

Once again your just publicaly demonstrating your ignorance about the pacific war again lukasz,the raping and looting had been going on by tojos regime from 1931,the vast majority of japans 30 million plus victims were asians,so,grow up."england" didnt occupy any of the lands bar hong kong that japan invaded,"englands" boys did however die in huge numbers liberating Burma et al from the japanese though.

diggerhistory.info/pages-battles/ww2/sandakan.htm
"Only six Australians of the 2400 prisoners survived the "death march" "

bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/knights.html

"Japan did not call the Sino-Japanese conflict a war, but an incident. The Chinese troops were labeled bandits, which meant that when they were taken prisoner they were not prisoners-of-war and thus did not fall under any of the protections of that title. The book says "many of them were massacred, tortured, or drafted into Japanese labor camps." It cites one camp where half of the prisoners died of starvation or torture."

sound familiar?nkwd?

cs.umbc.edu/~kunliu1/Nanjing_Massacre.html

ww2pacific.com/unit731.html
"1936 -- Unit 731, a biological-warfare unit disguised as a water-purification unit, is formed. Ishii builds huge compound -- more than 150 buildings over six square kilometers -- outside the city of Harbin, Manchuria. Some 9,000 test subjects eventually die at the compound.

1942 -- Ishii begins field tests of germ warfare on Chinese soldiers and civilians. Tens of thousands die of bubonic plague, cholera, anthrax and other diseases. U.S. soldiers captured in Philippines are sent to Manchuria.

1945 -- Japanese troops blow up the headquarters of Unit 731 in final days of Pacific war. Ishii orders 150 remaining 'subjects' killed to cover up their experimentation. "

To acept a county youhave to acept its past,never forget,but see that its never repeate,just remember lukasz,the poles arnt the only people with a "forgoton" holocaust.

Poles form Poland were killed in stalins camps. Poles who wanted our country to be independent.

What we can say about English people in Asia ? How did they appear there... what they have been looking for there. Opium wars ... colonisation, robbery, rapes, slavery ... at the end somebody did for them what they have been doing for centuries. Isthatu I hope you are not trying to say that you have been defending Burma citizens and it was main reason of our military actions in region.

I see your atmepts to show that Poland was empire (in other discussions on PF) like English just smaller ... it wasn't empire builed on military force. Read how we started union with Lituanians ... their nobles wanted to have rights like ours and we gave our crown for their leader (parlament was strong so it wasn't problem to give it to them) and it was Polish emipre on east. as to your emipire ... long story ...

as I said I find Chinese, Koreans ... vicitmies of WWII in Asia.


My unce have been living and working in Japan ... he enjoye it but finaly decided to come back to europe because for longer time it is hard to live there ...

It depends, some make it their home. I missed my family but really absorbed myself in cultural life there. It really helps if u have close friends. The admin/bureaucracy was much easier than here.

Digressing a little, I plan to go to the tax office here and sour Scottish-Polish relations, albeit in a comical way. I plan to speak English to the stiff tax office lady and keep talking to her, even tho I know she won't be understanding me. She'll call over sb who can speak English and then I'll switch to speaking Polish. I'd love to see the look on her face.

just take five minutes to look at a couple of the links Ive posted and you will see just how offensive and plain wrong you are lukasz. Are you man enough to do that?


NO,VICTIMS OF JAPAN!! or were all the poles killed just victims of ww2?not stalin and hitler?

I hope you are going to post relation on PF.


It is shame that Japanese have done some many bad things. Chinese and other Asians were victims of Japanese imprelialism. I know that some Chinese (historicians) feel symphaty towards Poland because they find our WWII stories very similar.

Sometimes we have much different views. Personaly I have mixed feelings when I see some posts about English vicitmes in Asia durring WWII. It was your colony, you conquered and robbed this land ... and one nation in region make you feel how it is to be victim.

That is all. What is more, my reason was to show that Polish people have different view on different issues.

Yes,nanking,warsaw...awfull tragedies both.

I think we are coming close to an understanding here lukasz.....but,understand,the british victims died fighting in counties that were not "our colonies" and had NEVER been robbed by "us",its as silly as saying you have no sympathy for the poles who died in North africa or italy because they wernt fighting in Poland. Just like "you" "we" also lost hundreds of thousands of young boys(not bloomin imperialist gennerals or rich bankers) fighting to free other lands and crush what were at the time countries in the grip of very nasty dictators.

AGAIN,IT WASNT OUR COLONY..japan never got to india ;)
And,whats more,I have no doubt had the atomic bomb not been developed the war in the east would have dragged on longer and Im sure "our" boys would have eventually had some help from "your" boys out there.

The Japanese are really an exceptional nation and surely deserve respect from the side of nations of Europe. I agree with constatations of before, that they made a mistake because they attacked USA and not USSR, however they were forced on that. All the more are coming to expression theories by which Americans in reality incited a Japanese attack through a total naval blockade of the Pacific. Americans only needed an excuse to enter in war, and in any case if Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbor, the crew from Washington would have found some other reasons.

The only problem in relation of this nation is that I worry of the possibility that the best sons of Japan perished in the Second World War and that today's Japan in great measure received Western lineaments and American decadence. I hope that this great nation will again find internal strength to spiritually and in all other ways revive itself, how it would again secure a place in the world which to it belongs.

Yeah, it is even today strong, one of the most powerful economic forces, but nevertheless it is under patronage of America and it however serves some sort of higher interests of international capital. And all this does not have much in common with that samurai honor and national dignity about which we earlier discussed.

I haven't said that Japan was your colony. The fact is that you had your colonies in China and in other countries in this region. In fact this countries were robbed ( ex: opium wars). Durring this war you were defending your interests there. The other facgt is that it was very brutal war.

Polish soldiers are much different story than British colonies and long hisotry of wars in Asia. (I have notcied that English people like to talk about Britsh and some Scots avoid this word ;) maybe because they consider Scotland as one of English colonies)


Propably yes... I have been discussing something a bit different.

hate to remind you AGAIN,Im SCOTTISH not english...:)

OMG lukasz,are you really that thick or is it just your english letting you down? wtf has japan invading 3 quaters of asia(free countries,NOT british colonies) got to do with the opium wars of the 1840's? No one said you thought japan was a british colony...Japan has NEVER been anyones colony...:)

Sorry cro' Japan commited its worst atrocoties well before America put the oil blockade in place(part of the reason for the oil blockade was those atrocities).

And I do think you are insulting Japan saying they are under America..I dont think a single Japanese person would agree with you there.


america was looking for any excuse NOT to enter into ANY war mate....why do you think they didnt get involved until december 1941?


Its already got that place,its called Japan........anything else is just becoming the sort of evil invading empire you claim to hate other nations for.

I haven't said that Japan have been your colony. I have noticed that your people there were not there because of poor Chinese beaten by Japanese. That is why I don't consider your people dying there victims. Opium wars were just example of your "nice" history in this region.

as to WWII and our soldiers ... lets avoid discussion about that. Because i find Japanese more friendly towards Poles than Britsh (separated Polish - Japanese realtions)


Shame for true Scotland.

SCREW YOU YOU SCUMBAG!!!!!!!YOU HAVE NO HUMAN DECENY IN YOU DO YOU? ??
you really are the most imature,pathetic excuse for a "man" Ive ever come across on the internet..go burn a few shtetls you nasty little retard,you are the exception,you definatly are an UNTERMENSCH!!!

btw,dont expect any sympathy off admin if you go bleating to them,The Americans know all about this part of history even if you are so full up your own a rse to see things.

How would you feel if i said i dont consider the Polish dead at Mote cassino victims becase they invaded Italy...or the plain fact that Poland invaded and conquered western lithuania etc in the 1920s,by your logic all those Poles killed by stalin wernt victims because Poland invaded there earlier,yes,Poland invaded those territories centuries before so by your logic they deserve no respect....your a warped little man lukasz and no mistake!

Centuries ago?

???are you denying that centuries ago Poland expanded eastwards???
Thats all Im saying,every country on earth that has been capableof expansion in the past has tried to,this doesnt mean that their desendants were any less victims of murder.

I hope you are going to post relation on PF wrote £ukasz? WTF?? My relations are in Scotland, what's ur point?

I'm denying that Poland conquered Lithuania centuries ago, because it didn't. There was a union between those two countries you know. :)

Are all Scots so emotional about history? :)