Thank you Ireland... EUCCP

Honestly, I suppose even eurocrats can't understand that

Dont you find that a bit worrying?

not at all :)

I disagree with you about Poland but this is not the point. What about other countries don't destined to beg for cash? Those people don't need democracy in your opinion? Or perhaps they should sacrifice it for the Polish cause?


These distinction and conclusion would have a sense if local politicians wouldn't work for the EU.


Although you don't understand what you write , I fully agree with you :)
Come on, be honest with us! You don't believe in any 'democracy', you just wish to maintain this official fiction.


Sane person firstly learn about conditions and later take a side. People cannot be educated by state, only indoctrination is possible. People should start to educate themselves, at least those of them with some intellectual abilities.


This is first and foremost because of their ignorance. Some are even too stupid to be indoctrinated! :)

Poland should just ride along with it for a while and jump off before it crashes.

That was my point...

oh, I do. I just don't have the time and the will to go into the details with you every time since you seem to know better.


yep, democracy is an idea. How certain countries approach it is shown every single day. Some are better than others. It is a process not a one time thing.

Poland is a mix of post communist practices/free market economy/catholicism etc.

Say hello to Mr Korwin Mikke;). You and him must be the only two people who didn't benefit form the EU in Poland. I guess you take the back roads when driving. LOL

In the ideal world it is all good. In a real world it is the way it is. Take is or leave it.

This is my fault, that I know better?



Your attitude (shared by current political elites) encourage all possible groups that oppose the status quo to use non-democratic means to realize their goals. If they would take over your country then you haven't any moral rights to complain. Why? Because you do not give them any other possibility to compete.


Please... The style in which you wrote this sentence betrays your lack of confidence on these matters caused by lack of knowledge about Polish politics. Anyway, you admitted it before in other thread. While of course I know better, much better. :)

absolutely NOT. I am just being realistic here. They have taken over my country. Poland is my country Lesser. You have all the rights to complain, however it is not going to bring changes to the existing system.I am wondering what solutions you have in mind to the existing problems in Poland. It is not enough to criticize. One needs to do something about it regardless of how small the change is. I do what I can in my end and I did when I was living in Poland( I wrote to newspapers, got published, changed things to a certain degree). I made some changes, but I also want to enjoy my life and the days of standing on baricades are over for me. Changes take time and you don;t seem to see it.


If it was up to me I would. I chose to leave. You chose to stay.


you probably do. What are you gonna do with that knowledge. I am a person of action not a person of words and I am seeing things from that perspective.

PS, please stop putting names on my way of thinking. I have never belonged to any elites. I think for myself. So do you.

We are just very different people. Good luck:)

good read but thick: Shock doctrine by Naomi Klein;)

I find the phrase "made to understand" to be dangerous.

Maybe the Irish chose to speak in their voice?

brusselsjournal.com/node/3340

You are simply in denial or don't wont to clearly admit an obvious conclusion from your anti-democratic comments.


No, if anything then I'm free to complain, ' the rights' you can save for yourself! :)


I write about what is necessary very often, just you don't want to know.


I don't believe you, because you apologize for political elites which behave in such manner.

This is your private decision, stay or leave. However Polish problems will reach your everywhere you go, because it is in fact international cancer.


I read reviews posted on the website of this book. This woman is a fanatical opponent of the free market and have not a clue about politics in general. You left a post-communist country to enjoy far-left propaganda?

you just don;t want to get it, do you. I am talking about the existing situation not about the ideal democracy.


OH, gee thank you. LOL


how is that?


I said that the book was thick and needs to be read. Yes, I am brainwashed to the core and will die happy;)

Europe is chance for Poland. Imagine yourself : weak USA and unsuccessful EU ...

I prefere successful EU.

Current lack of democracy fits you, thus you compare democracy to utopia. However Switzerland exist and is in much better shape than EU-kolkhoz.


Because socialist 'facade democracies' are present all over the world.


Have you anything to say about EUcrats refusing to recognize a third referendum in a row? Or empty slogans are everything you can afford?

open your mind ... look on bigger picture.

Lets avoid this referendum.

We are not in 1900s when every bigger european country could conquer rest of world. The problem was only with other european competitors.

India, China, Arab world are much stronger. Without successful EU every european country will be loster. What is more Poland is going to be one of the biggest losters.

Just admit that you are not a democrat. This is my task in this thread, to expose pro-EU hypocrites one after another. I can write, mission accomplished! :)


Open your mind yourself, imperialism always turn against the people sooner or later.

I am democrat and if Irish want to stay on this level of integration we can make europe with different levels of intgration.

What is more I am sure that Poland will be in this more integrated part (look on polls with support). (I'm closer to bb than it was)


What kind of impreialism ? I don't want Europe conquering Africa. I want Europe being able for competition.

I have never said that. You have the tendency to put words in other people's mouth and I am done here.

I am not gonna waste my time.

"We"? You support people whom openly speak about building Europe-wide empire. They don't respect any different opinions or ideas. They don't debate, just pushing their vision even against the will of majority.

Neither you or Miranda are 'democrats' and same this fact is not any reason to be ashamed. What is really shameful is this dishonest meddling that you practicing.


You support the government (European Commission) that want to directly and in details control whole old continent. What is more via some worldwide international institutions like the UN, they want to spread their pseudo-cultural values (so called "way of life") in all possible directions. If this culture was really superior and respect-deserving then it would spread without any financial spendings, central institutions and massive propaganda. This is imperialism of the new age which is not popular among other self-respecting cultures. As we see even in Europe itself this style of running peoples life is losing. I dare to write that this is not any precise vision of policy lead people to vote against Brussels wishes, rather opposition to bureaucrats that claim to be always 'right'.

I've been toying with the idea of writing to the EU, asking for a job. I'm not sure who exactly I should write to, but it may look a little something like this:

Dear European Union,

I am writing to you to find out if there are any jobs available to yet another failed politician. I came third place in a recent popularity contest on a busy internet forum (PolishForums.com) and other than that, nobody has voted for me in any other poll that I can remember.

It is clear that most failed politicians find a position within the machinery of the EU, so my lowly status should mean that I'm an ideal candidate. I love the EU and everything it does, so how about it?

Yours sincerestly,

Osiol

Send your application here
europa.eu

Go on I dare you, I'll write you a reference confirming that I would never vote for this donkey and consider him unelectable........You better hurry up before a certain member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath beats you to it.