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Funny German way of thinking ... "Stupid Poles" destroying EU?


celinski 31 | 1,258  
20 Aug 2008 /  #31
Russian society is quite chauvinistic

Interesting, would you say this has always been the case is media built?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
20 Aug 2008 /  #32
PS. I live in Poland - some people consider it to be a part of Yurop.

Okay, I thought you were an "American" Pole...my apologies...
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
20 Aug 2008 /  #33
Interesting, would you say this has always been the case is media built?

It is not a question of media, it is a question of self-identification. We, Russians, may exist only as large empire, otherwise we will be lost. And it is not so bad (to be big)
celinski 31 | 1,258  
20 Aug 2008 /  #34
it is a question of self-identification

I also feel this is healthy. If you do so well as a large empire do you feel your goverment gives citizens the rights they deserve or could this part be improved?
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
20 Aug 2008 /  #35
Yes we have enough rights! Enough for this moment.
OP Borrka 37 | 594  
20 Aug 2008 /  #36
By far too much freedom - it will cause some serious problems in the future !
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
20 Aug 2008 /  #37
Are you two still at it! Get a room!
vitold - | 4  
20 Aug 2008 /  #38
AND NEITHER IS YOURS , GO HIDE IN BLACK FORES EASTERN EUROPEANS ARE COMING.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
20 Aug 2008 /  #40
AND NEITHER IS YOURS , GO HIDE IN BLACK FORES EASTERN EUROPEANS ARE COMING.

Crow, oh no, he has gone off the deep end.
Wahldo  
20 Aug 2008 /  #41
Okay, I thought you were an "American" Pole...my apologies...

That's okay, some mistake you for a woman..
celinski 31 | 1,258  
20 Aug 2008 /  #42
some mistake you for a woman..

she is, right?
Wahldo  
20 Aug 2008 /  #43
***LOL***

Sure, that's the 21st century Boudica up there!
shopgirl 6 | 928  
20 Aug 2008 /  #44
Yes we have enough rights! Enough for this moment.

You haven't ever really tasted true freedom or democracy, so you have nothing to compare it to. No wonder you are happy with the crumbs thrown down to you from the Kremlin!
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
21 Aug 2008 /  #45
You haven't ever really tasted true freedom or democracy,

And what is its taste? Is it salty or sweet? Don't fool yourself you don't have it either!
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
21 Aug 2008 /  #46
You haven't ever really tasted true freedom or democracy

Privet... :) what do you think can be a sample of freedom or democracy? How about the US? And what are your criteria for democracy and freedom?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
21 Aug 2008 /  #47
Sure, that's the 21st century Boudica up there!

Yeah! And dont you forget it...Yankpole - btw have you even visited Poland? (edit:) you're czech aren't you, does that mean your sister works in Amsterdam????

You haven't ever really tasted true freedom or democracy, so you have nothing to compare it to. No wonder you are happy with the crumbs thrown down to you from the Kremlin!

How do you imagine the Russians live SG?
shopgirl 6 | 928  
21 Aug 2008 /  #48
How do you imagine the Russians live SG?

You're kidding right?

heritage.org/research/worldwidefreedom/bg2088.cfm

The current Moscow power establishment is leading Russia back in time. Instead of moving forward toward a nation that cherishes and protects freedom and democracy, the establishment is creating a state and body politic dominated by a new breed of oligarchic groups composed of security officers and their business allies.

boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/10/16/russias_slow_death_of_freedom/

ANNA POLITKOVSKAYA, the 48-year-old woman shot dead in the elevator of her apartment building in Moscow Oct. 7, was not a public official, a member of parliament, or a leader of an opposition party. But in the eyes of many people, the murder of this fearless journalist has become a symbol of the slow death of freedom in Russia -- a death evidenced by many other events large and small.

voanews.com/uspolicy/archive/2004-01/a-2004-01-12-2-1.cfm

According to this year's report (2004), the Russian government continues to permit the generally free practice of religion for the majority of people. But some Russian federal agencies and many local authorities continue to restrict the rights of various religious minorities. Before last year, the cause of most complaints was a complex 1997 law that limits the rights, activities, and status of new religious groups -- those that have been in the country for less than fifteen years. More recently, complaints stemming from the requirement to register or re-register under the 1997 law have eased somewhat. But some groups continue to be denied registration in some localities.

Russia has also had a weak track record with copyrights and protection of intellectual property rights, the state is richer than its citizens, elections are a farce........racism against people in the north and the Caucuses....
celinski 31 | 1,258  
21 Aug 2008 /  #49
How do you imagine the Russians live

I put a news clip a week ago in PF of Russian kids having a peaceful deminstration recently and Russian PD opened fire with machine guns. If that were my children I would go balistic. They wanted Russia out of Georgia, go figure.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
21 Aug 2008 /  #50
the state is richer than its citizens,

Was that not the case in Poland too?

I personally see nothing wrong with what was written in the above extracts, Russians are Othadox Im sure they are allowed to practice that and if people don't like it then they are free to go to where ever they wish!

As for ANNA POLITKOVSKAYA, you think that this kind of thing doesn't happen in other countries, ever heard of Veronica Guerin? Probably not!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
21 Aug 2008 /  #51
what do you think can be a sample of freedom or democracy? How about the US? And what are your criteria for democracy and freedom?

It's very hard to say what is freedom and democracy but It's much easier to say what It isn't and the system where for example the leader choose his successor is definately not free and democratic.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,082  
21 Aug 2008 /  #52
I agree...Russia has currently not a system which is seen by th westerners as democratic!

I watched an interesting documentation about Mrs. Politowskaja, started as she still lived. A brave, fascinating woman. She also supported the resistance in Chechnya and helped with her work to bring out many atrocities.

A state which fears such people so much that it resorts to harassing and killing them can't be called free and democratic in any way.

But whenever ordinary russians are asked the majority seems openly grateful and supporting about the way the Kreml is handling things. Putin has alot of fans between the Russians, the affection shown by so many seems honest, he is hardly a feared dictator.

The west has to accept that too...
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
21 Aug 2008 /  #53
It's very hard to say what is freedom and democracy but It's much easier to say what It isn't and the system where for example the leader choose his successor is definately not free and democratic.

Correct. It's obviously non-democratic but you think it's democratic in the US?.. :) From what I see their current president had been elected before actual elections.

Another question is what essentially democracy gives you? Does an ordinary citizen know how to wield this privelege? Unfortunatelly, in reality the word "democracy" with all the rights it bears in people's mind turns into the only one right - right to be stupid. Look at the nowadays presidents in the leading democratic countries. Can you name at least one president of any democratic country at present who you consider great? Hardly. Why is it so? Because they were brought to the politics not for their real deeds but for their putting into semblance of real deeds. Democratic election system is a legalized way of fooling people first and foremost with help of media.

I've lived for about a year in the US and can say it's not a wit more democratic than Russia. Moreover the government control under citizens is much stronger in the US. Democracy in the US is a fairy-tale for hillbillies and on international level a very convenient way to justify their crimes.

That was bad about the US... now about white side. The most significant Russian problem and the US preference is a law which doesn't work in Russia and perfectly works in the US. Stupid to deny that. The primary reason for such state of affairs in our country is a corruption (stronger is the one who has more money) and that point can be actually related to things like "human rights" and "democracy".
celinski 31 | 1,258  
21 Aug 2008 /  #54
Go to Ragged old flag, USA is more than a year, 200 years of freedom

objflicks.com
oldbluewebdesigns.com/raggedoldflag.htm
celinski 31 | 1,258  
21 Aug 2008 /  #56
the other are pretty good check out black and white, wonderful world is the song from Robin Williams movie "Good Moring Vietnam".

Meant to ask, did you do something new with your hair?
shopgirl 6 | 928  
21 Aug 2008 /  #57
Correct. It's obviously non-democratic but you think it's democratic in the US?.. :) From what I see their current president had been elected before actual elections.

I think the difference lies with how often this happens. I don't think Bush should have been elected....the voting/reporting was flawed. Money has been spent in the US to upgrade the voting equipment.

But that is very different matter than the international response to Russia's last election.....the whole world could see that it was not a free election.

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